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@"Paine" It seems the thread is turning towards poetry and Homer's Iliad. I'm enjoying it but not too sure where we're heading. Is it about a poetic c...

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From my pocket Oxford Classical Greek Dictionary: Care as a noun ( anxious thought) - ??????? Yes. I'm not interested in providing translations! As yo...

I am puzzled by this. When did Atropos cut the thread? It seemed to me that she was part of the spinning. The daimon continued to be 'the guardian of ...

Grateful for the return to poetry and the chosen passage. Yes. I wonder if @"Jamal" would consider this a 'literary easter egg'?

Thank you, tim, for joining the discussion. I find it fascinating to read how translators decide to decode ancient works so that modern readers can un...

Do you really expect me to wade through all of that? Not gonna happen. Perhaps edit to make important points stand out? As it is, I can't see anything...

I'm returning to this. You are right. However, this purpose is at a different level. That of Plato's or Socrates' overall aim in story-telling. Throug...

New beginnings. Here comes the Sun. Hope, happiness and freedom. In music. I know this is not to everyone's taste but I felt the need. :sparkle: The l...

Yes. I understood what you said earlier and have not forgotten. There was no need to repeat. I agree that it is of benefit to read the Republic as a w...

It's late and I'm tired, so I should probably leave this. When I asked if it was the translator, I didn't mean the English translators. I was wonderin...

Is it Plato or the translator? Where is the overlap in meaning? I can imagine 'forgetfulness' as being separate and yet together with the others. More...

So Strong - Labi Siffre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmNclh9lVkU The higher you build your barriers The taller I become The further you take my rig...

That's what I thought. Our loss. Weeping uncontrollably :sad: :broken: :cry: Novels are good for the soul :halo:

:lol: So, you will be getting back on the Book 1 horse soon, then ? Missing ya' :groan: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/15484/poets-and-tyra...

Perhaps we need a negotiator? Haven't heard anything from @"Jamal" or any previous participants for a while... @"Benkei" @"Srap Tasmaner" ? I am not s...

What is the quality of the stream?

What do you mean by this? If the function of the river Lethe is to forget any previous life, then how do we know its effects? Why would the function o...

I think it is important to note the words used in translation and interpretation. As already mentioned, I think the meaning matters as to the best fit...

Following the discussion of Book 10, Plato's Republic: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/940663 and exploring Greek Mythology: https:/...

Having fun in Book 10 of Plato's Republic. Yes, I am! :cool: Discussing the river Lethe - and its meaning. Is it about forgetfulness or carelessness? ...

Thank you for the clarification. The words can be synonyms, the change of meaning is a choice of the translator. The introduction of ambiguity is not ...

Yes. Thanks. I know the 2 different English words are used. However, I'm not clear if there are 2 different Greek words. Or if it is one Greek word wi...

I wish I had your knowledge! I had to look this up: Interesting, indeed! :up: I wonder if Plato didn't include this as an option because he was arguin...

I agree. Quite the opposite. Each word counts. And it is why I wonder at the change from 'Heedlessness' to 'Forgetfulness'. When it seems clear that t...

Yes. I think that is the translation used earlier by @"Fooloso4". From your Jones and Preddy translation: Yes. Already noted. Now we can add 'careless...

This differs from other translations. From Reeves: No mention of a River of Heedlessness. Why does it matter if it is the same river? The same water. ...

I think I'll stop reading and writing about politics. It gets me nowhere fast. Before I leave: Thanks to @"Wayfarer" for this post: https://thephiloso...

Music on my mind. The Why rather than the What. Yesterday, I needed a counter-balance to Death and its Aftermath. I turned to music and Classic FM whe...

OK. :up:

:up: That makes sense.

Thank you for further explanation from places other than Book10.

Thanks. Following the process has not been easy for me. I confused the 'soul' with the new life and then the choosing of a new 'spirit' (daimon). Soul...

Thank you for your post. Interesting to consider. The understanding of the Cosmos. How it was made intelligible by Plato. As far as possible. Checking...

Escaping from Ancient Greece and Plato. To Vienna, Austria and the park of Schönbrunn Palace. A beautiful baroque setting for summer night concerts. L...

This does not make sense to me. If people were in heaven, then they will already have been judged as good. Even if their virtue is through habit, it i...

I don't see where Plato's concept differs from ours. What is needed or must be done by the rulers is intelligible. Human needs are only fixed in as mu...

The Myth of Er. Here comes 25 mins of a slow and clear narration with amazing illustrations each step of the way. :fire: :100: https://www.youtube.com...

@"Paine" and others. This is mesmerising. A slow and clear narration, illustrations included. :fire: :100: Excellent. The Myth of Er - Plato's Republi...

Yes, so far I find him easy on my eyes. I'm only 'sticking' with one translation to make it easier, for me. I appreciate other interpretations. Widens...

Clever work. Connecting the dots. Fascinating to observe the various 'returns' in Book10. The myth, the spiritual aspect of Socrates/Glaucon final con...

:up: I think I have come to a better understanding of the spindle. It is not used as in loom weaving. It is hand-held, as in the depiction of Ananke: ...

:up: I've now read the Myth of Er. See: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/939277 It is striking in so many ways. 'The Spindle of Neces...

Following my response to @"Paine" here: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/938479 The Myth of Er Starts at p354 of the pdf Reeve transl...

Returning to Plato's Republic and @"Jamal" 's reading and lecture recommendations in his thread: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/15484/poets...

Thanks. Most helpful. I've responsed to that and your addition in your thread. I've bolded the important part for me:

A most generous and helpful response to my concerns. I read that with a sense of relief. No pressure. If and when... Imagine. I can do that...and know...

:up: and thanks for the clarification. Unfortunately, my last post to @"Fooloso4" was a bit 'short' in every sense. I guess it reflected my frustratio...

I decided rather than continue with @"Fooloso4"' Book 10 discussion that I need to read the whole Republic. To place it and @"Jamal"'s Book1 thread in...

Hi, Paine. As always, thanks for putting in the time and effort to explain your perspective. I'm still listening but will hang back for now. :sparkle: