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There are different schools of thought. There are also many scholars who avoid the use of anachronistic terminology. The idea is, to the extent it is ...

As a general interpretive principle I think it best to minimize the use of anachronistic terminology.

It is this kind of purification that is needed for those who arrive in Hades.

Why call it idealism at all? Is everything that is grasped by a rational intelligence a form of idealism? Is mathematics a form of idealism?

The article continues: "Although we have just referred to Plato, the term “idealism” became the name for a whole family of positions in philosophy onl...

Neither term existed then.

Here are the quoted terms from 69c-d in context and bolded, starting with what I quoted above with a break in the paragraph. It is one paragraph thoug...

Plato was neither a realist nor idealist. The terms were not used and do not fit. What we take to be the real world was said to be an image of the For...

I think this is anachronistic.

The following from my last posted reading:

In my opinion, which is certainly not original, the Forms are themselves images rather than, as he says, what things are images of. But that is a disc...

I will be addressing his eagerness to agree in my next section. As I see it, it has little or nothing to do with the strength of the argument.

I would throw in some sex but Socrates already said the philosopher has not interest. Although, as I mentioned, at seventy years old he had a young so...

Actually I read it. And I responded. It is your fault for not reading other people's posts. This does not support your claim of a Cosmic Mind

The same occurred to me but decided not to give him something else to turn into an extended rant about Marxism and liberals.

I think part of the attraction to Plato is the lack of interpretative consensus. Each year, after all this time, hundreds of books and articles are pu...

Thank you. Many Platonists today look to Plato for religious and quasi-religious answers,often of the Christian variety.

We know nothing of his oral teachings. I asked you to provide authentication of any oral teaching. You could not. I deny that there is a scholarly con...

Socrates wraps up his defense by saying: Socrates demystifies “mystic rites”, “genuine hidden meaning”, “mysteries”, and “purification”. (69c-d) The p...

Oh. really. You said: It cannot clear from his writings if he did not write what he actually thought about such things. Has an oral tradition ever bee...

It does not make it pointless. It simply means that there is more there then I have seen. It is not a matter of "deciding" to find something new and d...

And yet that was the designation you used. That may be what matters to you. What matters to me is the dialogues themselves. I have no interest a Plato...

Did I misunderstand you when you said you "need to cut out".

@"frank" I would like for you to stick around. This tread was started in part because of things you said about Plato and the soul. That, it seems to m...

As I understand it, they have all been reserved by the elect. Not even standing room for the likes of me.

You are confusing terminology. Platonism and Platonic are not the same. "Anti-Platonic" would presumably mean against Plato. The result may well be mi...

Platonism is an impediment to understanding Plato. You end up attributing things to Plato that are nowhere to be found in the dialogues. It is not a m...

The irony is that on the one hand the desire will be fulfilled, one will be able to see the truth unencumbered by the body. On the other, if philosoph...

In the Second Letter Plato says that the Socrates of the dialogues is made "young and beautiful", which can also be translated as "new and noble". Rea...

Yes, we will have to look a those arguments and whether they succeed or fail. This is why I ended my last reading this way:

Right. The prefix "???" here means by or through, thus dianoia (???????)/i] through thought and dialectic through speech.

Once again, according to the dialogue knowledge of the good can only be attained in death if at all. Noesis is not reasoning. It is direct apprehensio...

Typically wealthy people and organizations generally work together and coordinate with government agencies. At the very least they do not regard all g...

In which of the dialogues does Plato say this?

The Phaedo tells a different story than the Republic.It is certainly useful to compare the dialogues, but what is said in one cannot be substituted fo...

Amity is right. The passage under discussion is not about noesis but rather dianoia, thought or reason.

I agree. Some readers are all too quick to reject. We need 'as far as possible' to figure out what he means. This often requires going beyond isolated...

In the Apology Socrates suggests two possibilities of what happens in death: In the Phaedo Socrates is silent about the first possibility. He wishes t...

Socrates does make use of mythologies as a means of persuasion, both stories of old and new ones he makes up, but this does not mean that he is persua...

I will have something to say about this in the next section. Part of the Stoic practice of philosophy involved meditations on death. I agree. His argu...

The next section will cover up to 67c.

But the state can do things much more effectively. Handling of the coronavirus is a good example. You as a individual are powerless. You are also inca...

But not by you and not with the tax dollars you are required to pay. You just want to be left alone. I do not think of it in terms of rights. This is ...

Socrates begins not with something he recollects from a previous life or recalls or even his own stories but with “hearsay” : Inquiry and speculation ...

This and: reflect common opinion at that time. I think it may also be part of the theme of comedy and tragedy. If this play is to be a comedy then cry...

Right. He tells him to drop dead!

The Greek term is mousikê. The translation I rely on uses the transliteration 'music' instead of 'art'. In Plato's Ion Socrates denies that poesis is ...

Yes, it is the ship from the story of Theseus and the Minotaur. I don't think the conundrum is part of the myth, but Plato was aware of the problem. I...

Christianity begins with Paul's myth of the physical body of the saved being transformed into a spiritual body and the saved being those who will live...

Was it the ignorance of those whose souls Christians tried to save through torture and death or the ignorance of Christians? Was it the ignorance of t...