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A discussion for another time and place. Perhaps you can do a summary of the Apology and we can discuss it.

This is part of it but not the whole story. That is the joke from Aristophanes Clouds.

The argument does work in a monotheist context:

Right, but there is more to it. Neither Aristophanes nor anyone else at that time thought to bring charges against him. It was not regarded as a crimi...

I am in general agreement, but I don't think his motivation was to kill his father. That is in his mind an unavoidable consequence I do think that par...

This is true from the perspective of the city, but the gods of the city are not just. If the gods loved justice, however, then Socrates would be a par...

It is not a strawman, it is an extreme example of why piety must be tempered. In fact, it often has been, but not as the result of piety.

If you are suggesting that we cannot provide reasonable answers to what God does or allows to happen, then I agree. But a great deal of theology does ...

By Socrates' argument and your own example we can say what it is not. That is an important starting point for further inquiry into what it might be. T...

I think you still do not understand what is at issue. It has nothing to do with my approval of Jesus' impiety. The issue of the Euthyphro is the quest...

Socrates was a zetetic skeptic. Because he knew that he did not know the just, noble, and good he spent his life inquiring about them, trying to deter...

Unlike Euthyphro Socrates knows he does not know. If there is a higher law he does not know what it is. Socrates focus remains on the human things.

This and Ecclesiastes have always been problematic. They do not give us the kind of answers we want. Instead they say that such things are beyond the ...

Jesus' condemnation of the piety of the Pharisees is like Socrates' criticism of Euthyphro. If Jesus is correct then piety is not a sufficient guide t...

If you are good with that we can leave it there but I suspect you really do not know how it is that you made my point.

I think the distinguishing mark of modern philosophy is the mathematical concept of reason. Descartes' mathematical method for solving any unknown, ho...

You make my point for me.

Piety is about obedience to the Law. The Law frequently deals with purity. The Jewish Law was mentioned for several reasons. If piety is obedience to ...

It is clear that you have not read the dialogue or the OP. It is not something I was forced to admit, it is the premise of the dialogue. It is what Eu...

Right.

The Euthyphro dilemma is not found in the dialogue. The dialogue says nothing about divine command. Euthyphro is not doing what he was commanded to do...

Right. I quoted a passage along with a couple of others from Deuteronomy. Another is: She is raped but stoned to death as a matter of purity/piety. Th...

Euthyphro first makes the mistake of saying that number is part of odd. By his actions he makes the same mistake, making the just part of piety. In th...

Would a virtuous person do what Euthyphro was going to do?

Euthyphro claims that what he is doing is a necessary purification (4b). The Greek term for purification is related to the Greek term for 'pious' Puri...

It is not so simple. It is not a matter of ethical principles but of whether particular acts are just or unjust. In a healthy society it is not enough...

Socrates' education of Euthyphro begins when he points beyond Euthyphro's circular claim. He replaces the idea that what is loved by the gods is what ...

In all this talk about God and the powers that we have attributed to him, the problem of the Euthyphro has been lost. Whether it is one God, many gods...

I prefer the Socratic approach: the good is what we seek. It puts the question of the good in human terms.

I think the conclusion is justified. What remains inconclusive is what piety is.

In my opinion it is important to revisit the classics, they inform the whole of philosophy that follows. But the thread was started because Banno aske...

That is a theistic presumption, not THE theistic presumption. It is difficult to square the idea of omnibenevolence with what the God of the Hebrew Bi...

Euthyphro's dilemma is nowhere to be found in the dialogue. It is, however, something that has been discussed in the literature. In my opinion, Craig ...

But the thing about Plato's dialogues is that it is not about providing answers to simple questions. As Banno noted the dialogue ends in aporia. Most ...

The whole thing in the Republic about the ascent from the cave to the sight of the Forms to Good itself. Socrates in telling it admits this these are ...

If instead of gods there is one god then whatever that god loved would be pious, but if instead of that god it was another god then whatever that god ...

I would go further and say that if we do not simply accept what we have been told that god wants then in trying to determine what god wants we move in...

The specifics of the dialogue, centering around the question of the relationship between piety and justice, or, based on the thread that led to this, ...

Done.

More on that soon.

I could do with less "straight thinkers". Euthyphro says that he is laughed at. This type is laughable but unfortunately it does not deter them. For t...

Are you making reference to the meaning of Euthyphro's name? I am just about done. I added some things to tie in some things beyond the text, but I th...

Okay. I appreciate you asking. There are obviously some here who are very much like Euthyphro. I am sure that they will stay true to form. What that m...

If you read through the Wiki link Stevenson serious doubts have been raised about his work.

To begin to assess this we need to look at who some of those sources are. "Some sources" according to the Wiki article this statement is taken from tu...

The claim was made that "the right of others to hold their own beliefs" is being denied. This is simply not true. The accusation is made here and else...

This is a problem taken up by Plato and Hegel. For them it is not a question of whether we are capable of self-reflection, but of the otherness of wha...

You are probably right, but his argument is still weak. Not only Michelangelo's David, but the Greek sculptures show attention to anatomy. Aristotle d...

There may be some exceptions but yes.

How can headway be made? By what means can consciousness after death be measured?