There is a fundamental question that arises when we read Plato, a question we must ask ourselves: Is the way the soul structures reality rational or w...
I think the following is an accurate summary: Rather than argue to a set conclusion, Strauss' work is dialogical, dialectical, talmudic. It is the que...
Have you forgotten your own claims? It is not just Strauss and his followers who interpret is as noble lie. Are you to impugn the integrity of five di...
Let's be clear about what he is claiming: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/599832 As Valentinus pointed out: It also borrows from the...
Let's count: On the one hand I have cited five contemporary translations that say "lie" On the other Lee who says it is ambiguous and we should keep i...
So which is it? Did he say it or not? Could it be that he said it and did not say it because he said it in an earlier edition? What really matters is ...
Here is how the phrase is translated in some recent editions: C.D.C. Reeve translates "noble lie". Griffith: "grand lie". Waterfield: "noble lie". Sac...
Well, the truth is he does know that he does not know that there is a transcendent realm of truth. I do think that what he says, however, is in servic...
I am saying that as presented, the story of the ascent from the cave to the truth of the Forms can be regarded as a noble lie. It is as if what he say...
My copy of Liddell & Scott's Greek-English Lexicon has a first edition publication date of 1889. ?????? is translated as: The online version says: In ...
You are right, what is said in the Meno and Phaedo are not identified as noble lies, but as was also pointed out, you don't tell someone you are tryin...
If the text supports such questioning then Plato gives us reason to question. After all, this is exactly what Socrates says he does. This is true of a...
But every argument about Plato necessarily requires an interpretation of Plato. The shadows in the OP refer to the shadows on the wall of Plato's cave...
With regard to teleology, the move from what is to the conclusion of what must be is questionable. We might as well say that digestion is teleological...
My argument is to pay close attention to Plato's arguments. If one is to understand Plato's metaphysics consideration must be given to the indetermina...
This plays out on several levels. The myth that: is like the myth of the living coming from Hades. It is not only the myth of the earth being their mo...
This statement about lies begins with truth. Some lies told by those with the proper art and authority are for the sake of truth. If some lies are ben...
In the first paragraph they deny the existence of the Forms in the world. In the second they confirm the necessity for the existence of Forms. One way...
In the Philebus Plato raises the problem of the “indeterminate dyad” . The limited (peras) and unlimited (apieron) is, as Aristotle called it, an inde...
After calling the hypothesis of Forms simple, naive, and perhaps foolish, and later "safe and ignorant". (105 b), he reintroduces physical causes. (10...
And yet, as you know since you have participated in it, there is a thread on just that. But I am not asking you to discuss your beliefs. I am asking y...
See the discussion of the noble lie in the Republic and the distinction between it and the "true lie" or "lies in the soul". And would that be a true ...
I am in general agreement with the first part of this although I do not think it is simply a matter of his thought being unfinished. It is, rather, th...
A bit more on Socrates second sailing: Rather than looking directly at beings he does something analogous to looking at their reflection in water, in ...
Not according to Plato, or at least not according to anything I have found there. The divided line distinguishes between Forms and mathematical object...
Although knowledge of the history and culture are informative we cannot simply assume that a widespread practice is what the puzzling claim about the ...
They are not objects of the mind in the sense of being products of the mind, but of being known by the mind. They include at the lower level of the di...
These are things about which there is enough familiarity to discuss them. The sensation that only I have that I name 'S' is not like that. Or maybe yo...
I too think he got what he wanted. He knows that there are those who desire the mystical but are not content with the indeterminate. They want the mys...
I don't think the problem is that a rule is not being followed, but that ostensibly he is not pointing to anything at all. He may have this sensation ...
Do you mean Christian mortification? That imports a lot of stuff not found in Plato. And what do you recall? Socrates was not an ascetic. In the backg...
In the intelligible realm there are no sensibles, only objects of the mind. To draw someone to philosophy he dangles the mysteries, the promise of the...
What does this mean? How does one practice dying and being dead? If you have never been dead how do you know you are practicing it in the right way? T...
Whether or not this is a problem depends on the example. If I have a toothache there is no problem understanding what I am referring to. If, however, ...
Bloom. 1) Both the cave and terrestrial life are within the visible realm, but according to the analogy, the cave would be the visible and the terrest...
For anyone who might care about such things, Hank Marvin's signature sound was the Strat and lots of reverb. In the video though, all three guitars ar...
One that only the dead can answer, providing death is not, as Socrates suggests in the Apology, nothingness. An "open question" is very different from...
Plato distinguishes between the visible and the intelligible, what can be seen with the eyes and what is seen by the intellect (nous) itself by itself...
Yes, I understood that. The name of the dialogue is not The Parmenides, although it is referred to as the Parmenides. The dialogue is about the Forms,...
I don't see why. What do you find in Parmenides that addresses these questions? There are a few problems with this. First, I think it necessary to dis...
Socrates begins: What follows is an image of images regarding the human condition according to its education. Since we have been in this condition sin...
A real question. Your real question. Not the real question. This has not been my experience. It remains my understanding, but the more closely and att...
What does the metaphysics of presence have to do with seeing the duck-rabbit? What is a duck-rabbit's own presence? Right. Seeing is not simply passiv...
I am not sure how you get from the duck-rabbit to the metaphysics of presence in a single paragraph. Culture is more general, context more specific. W...
There is a difference between learning philosophy and learning what you need to do to do well in the class. Are you using primary texts, books written...
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