Isaac

Neither of those scales are particularly vague or slippery, they're used to good effect clinically.

Why not?

Understood.@"Olivier5" asked so I gave them. I don't think it helps much, it is, as you say, this other sense I'm trying to pin down.

Why not? I don't see any prima facie reason why someone ought be 'having an experience' just because they say they are.

You mean "Even people like @"180 Proof" and @"Banno", who are well educated and sophistacated thinkers in many ways, genuinely don't seem to have the ...

I don't think it will progress the discussion, but... The Grady Coma Scale is instrumental. The Glasgow Coma Scale contains more nuanced data. Simple ...

Why assume the those who don't 'have it' are flawed and those that 'have it' not? Would you also assume those who hear voices to be possessed of an in...

There are several definitions of consciousness I'm happy with. None of them result in a 'hard problem'. It's those definitions I'm trying to pin down....

If so, then the 'hard problem' seems to be defing what the problem is. So far, it seems there's this 'feeling' people have that there's something ther...

That's of no help because 'consciousness' is an equally vague and slippery notion defined, it seems, by exactly the same list of things it definitely ...

I'm not seeing the problem you're seeing here. History is littered with understandings and entities which seemed 'so obvious' to people at the time, b...

Exactly. What we're being asked to believe is that.. a) the US despite funding, arming, and training Ukraine, despite providing intelligence, despite ...

I'm just trying to pin down what this thing 'awareness' is that neuroscience has apparently failed to explain. People seem absolutely concrete about w...

That just says exactly what I argued. 'Allied with Putin' is being defined as 'anything which disagrees with US policy' Lula is not 'allied with Putin...

So. I look at my tea cup, and the claim is that in addition to the circuits processing the sensations I get from it, I also have this other thing call...

Then in what sense are we 'aware' of a yellow disk and a blue disk? We clearly are not experiencing their actual properties. What neural correlates? A...

Then how do we know the machine isn't?

Seriously? You've never cited a study that's been 'called into question'? Sheldrake's work, for example... ever 'called into question'?

Imagine a blue circle next to yellow circle. Move the two circles closer an closer until they overlap. What colour is the overlapping region? ... You'...

Ah, I see. So what exactly is it to be 'aware' of some data? How do we measure awareness?

Computing what? If it's not aware of any data, then how can it process it?

Quite the opposite. It's the 'human invention of money' which promotes free education for all. From where else are they going to get their ready-to-go...

Don't let me disrupt your flow, you're on a roll. So far we've got "anything Chalmers says is true by default unless it can be proven otherwise", and ...

Why? You didn't bother.

But... Dennett is the source of several well known thought experiments that show that phenomenal consciousness and functionality are identical, so pro...

Yes. If it classifies them, it has to be aware of them at some level. How else would it classify them. You're right. I hadn't considered the possibili...

Thanks for the response. As you're busy I'll pick up only what I think is the most salient point for any time you want to re-look at this. Memories do...

Although I'd say that if you're still confused about the difference the only explanation I can think of is that you have some damage to your posterior...

....is not the same as...

I've heard some pretty sycophantic stuff on this thread, but this one takes the biscuit. "If you disagree with Chalmers you must have brain damage"

I've just read the full article. Perhaps you can clear up what seems, for me, the major stumbling block. Brain cells take hours to die from anoxia. Si...

In your DVD example you ended... It doesn't. It produces changes in the state and momentum of fundamental particles. We just 'classify' those particul...

I meant within reason, obviously. The definition (using the one you provided) does not specify whether such an object has intentions, must be created ...

You can define 'machine' however you like. The point was that you can't, in the same breath, say that machines have no intention empirically (we haven...

Then your challenge is self-immunised. If you define a 'machine' as human-made and then declare that anything human-made, by definition, has in it the...

So? The point was only countering the notion that extreme left wing groups are notably allied with Putin. so unless you can find some extreme left win...

No. It seems you're saying that mechanisms cannot possibly bring about consciousness, but without giving any reason why not.

I think essentially the conversation here cannot really progress without addressing the issue of negative pressure and positive ideology in the medica...

Politically, you might be right, economically it's business as usual. Famously, Germany's Gerhard Schröder was until only recently on the board of two...

So none 'allied' with Putin then? The point I was making, which no one seems to be able to counter, is that this idea that both the far left and the f...

Go on then... The extreme left organisations in America and Europe which are 'allied' with Putin to a greater extent than centrists are...?

Consciousness is encoded as a set of neural signals, which is one enormous dynamic network of continual signals. This flow of data is encoded on the b...

Every party in that chart is right wing. And all money gained by them from Putin is outweighed a thousand fold by financial ties with normal centrist ...

The claim was... Not "share some common ground with each other". So the evidence, other than merely a failure to support mainstream policy, of "allies...

So where are these people in sufficiently represented in America and Europe to make the quoted claim?

Cool. How does the brain work? Job done then. Thread closed.

Great. So given that we know the answer to this one, in your own words, what type of answer would this yield? What's the answer to "how does a DVD con...

Good idea. No guidance, though, beyond just mentioning the areas that most interest me. As I said above, I'm most interested in the environment within...

Go on. So If I argued that Ukraine was overrun by Nazis and you retorted that experts within Ukraine have shown that to be false, I would have the str...