Isaac

Show me the data proving that over the next millenia the entire global consequences of an elimination of animal agriculture will cause less suffering ...

It doesn't follow because (2) is just an assertion. I make the opposite assertion, that an ethical vegan, by virtue of bringing veganism into the real...

No, that's what I'm accusing those vegans who make moral claims of doing. The claim is that veganism is moral, not that reducing suffering is moral (a...

Great, perhaps you can tell me this week's lottery numbers too.

This is just getting ridiculous. The aim of ethical-veganism is to is not just to reduce animal suffering and it is to reduce animal suffering through...

Unless you've solved the arguments around sense and reference I think what you meant to say was that having the same referent is not necessarily equiv...

Yes, I do know of such a place, a few actually. My preferred is the large hanger at the local airfield, but any large enclosed space will do, even a c...

I've not made any blanket statements about vegans (at least not intentionally). I'm making what I think are rational inferences based on the criteria ...

Not entirely. Obviously there's a logical problem with saying that people believe everything they're told (in that they can't possibly when told, for ...

Yes, a classic confusion between that which can be said (by virtue of stringing some words together) and that which has any actual meaning for either ...

This is the kind of crap which always seems to turn up in these debates about 'God'. Who on earth is the "we" you are referring to in your last senten...

But this can't even possibly be the case. People hear a range of differing accounts of reality, so how can they possibly just "believe everything they...

'John Kennedy' is a rigid designator referring to a particular entity in all possible worlds. 'Jack Kennedy' is also a rigid designator referring to a...

I don't know what to discuss because I don't understand where your issue is, you're just playing burden-of-proof tennis with me instead of just spelli...

I don't read anyone here not respecting that you believe theism is a reasonable belief. They're arguing that theism is not a reasonable belief, not th...

If you think that's what I've been doing you clearly haven't understood a word I've been saying.

That shows that people believe certain types of claims. What I asked is if you had any evidence for the claim below. "When you're officially prohibite...

Ethical realism

Yes, but what I meant to say was that it does happen. So the 'some' you correctly point out should be in there is at "Vegans sometimes make moral clai...

So how is it any different from your attempt now to control people by social pressure? You're a free speech absolutist and you're arguing on a public ...

I didn't question Wittgenstein bringing the matter up at all, I asked why you would consider that merely paraphrasing them without drawing out any phi...

Thanks. Don't you sometimes get the feeling you've checkmated someone, only to realise your opponent isn't even playing chess?

Sorry if Im not writing clearly, I wasn't asking you to reiterate what you thought, I got that bit, I was asking why you thought it. Why does the bad ...

That all makes perfect sense, but you started with the proposition that "it predicts a de dicto reading of "Nixon might not have been named Nixon" tha...

But you're asking other people to agree that theism is reasonable. They can't be expected to hold that belief on the basis that you find the premises ...

Sure, but you seem to have your hands full already. I'm in no hurry, but if you feel like it any time we can start from this. How do you determine tha...

Yes, absolutely I'd like an explanation, that was the purpose of my post.

Yes I'm aware of that, I only commented because the thread seems to have moved to a claim that this somehow reflects normal use.

No, it's not the mere presence of these arguments that sustains yours though is it? It's the conclusion that they are reasonable arguments. I'm asking...

But you're not saying that Wittgenstein is merely tackling the problem of perception, such that support for this would be others having mentioned the ...

You've not really answered my question at all though. Your proposition, no mater how you phrase it, is that theism is reasonable (or not in conflict w...

But I wasn't asking about "there exists". You said that "some x is y" is normally parsed as "there exists some x that is y". I'm saying that's an empi...

Can I just interject to ask you to what criteria you're using to judge "reason" and "reasonable" in P4-7. I ask because you've forwarded this collecti...

But Moore's question is very different. Moore is primarily investigating the relationship between the sense-data and the object surface. In fact he qu...

I don't think all of the PI is in 'order' so I wouldn't count on it. It's not as if the concept is just a definition to which we have yet to put words...

Yes, I thought for a while that the discussion immediately below the quote I highlighted actually answered my query, but on reflection I don't think i...

But isn't that an empirical statement? What evidence/authority are you referring to when you say "It's understood as saying "There exists at least one...

Nope, you've lost me there. Are you saying that I can't say "some unicorns are black" and still be understood?

No, you're moving the goalposts. This particular sub-debate started when you claimed that veganism was just a diet and any moral dimension was only ad...

This seems to be escaping the issue of actual world designation with more than a little hand-waiving. I think if you want to justify your rather hyper...

But not irrelevant to hill farmers and dealers in wild game, so that's them eliminated. But it is aimed at someone like me (who you claim was removed ...

Right, so all these descriptions of what 'seeing' really is are perfectly reasonable, but all you've done here is paraphrase them. Yes, things can be ...

I don't see how a speech act is any different to any other act, some are what a society thinks are good, some bad, and some so bad they need prohibiti...

No problem, we're obviously worlds apart on this because I think this is exactly what the PI is all about. To bring it back to the text (as you seem t...

Yes. That is what I think Wittgenstein is saying. Not just in those paragraphs, but in his dismissal of the heirachy of analycity, his treatment of ex...

The deer are killed anyway. But even if we didn't... What about the animals which suffer because the woodland won't regenerate as a result of browsing...

I'm not following your reasoning here, why would never being sure you learnt it advise reading more? In hope some surity might one day come, perhaps? ...

No I'm talking about masses of people. I think there's a reasonable argument that organic Hill farming secures protein with less harm to animals than ...

In philosophy? What would they be learning, and how would they be sure they had learnt it?

I'm not referring only to those situations where it is not possible to be vegan. I'm claiming that it is perfectly reasonable, from the empirical evid...