Yes, that is the sense I get. These arguments always seem to start with something along the lines of "scientists say that reducing meat intake helps w...
I'm working on the presumption (perhaps erroneous) that anyone making moral assertions on a public forum (such as here) is some form of ethical realis...
And thus far, these are the only sorts of vegans I have encountered posting about the subject on philosophy forums (our current medium of discourse). ...
Veganism is a philosophy because it makes ethical statements and ethics is part of philosophy. Personally, I don't even agree with veganism's meta-eth...
I haven't criticised either. In fact I've made it very clear in just about every post that I'm talking about the philosophy 'veganism' (and by default...
It was rhetoric... Oh and I should have added those who read so that they can sound supercilious when talking about related subjects, I forgot about t...
And how do we know they are 'good' in the absence of having what they say concur with what we already believe (or arrive somewhere we unexpectedly fin...
Nice sentiment but I'm afraid decades of teaching have made me much too cynical to believe it. Everyone reads every text looking to find support for t...
No to the cave, yes without air conditioning, haven't taken any modern medicine for at least 30 years, no to factory farmed meat and yes to electricit...
Really? Have you read any anthropology, zoology, ecology... basically anything on the subject ever? The natural world is absolutely abundant with coop...
I've just stumbled across this thread (procrastinating). Are you still taking requests? If so, could you please ask for an italics button on the mobil...
But animals already can feel, and we eat them, and have done for millions of years. So either you're suggesting a form of ethical realism, but with mo...
The main reason why I find fault with people campaigning for veganism is unrelated and much more complex. Its to do with the value I give to naturalne...
Isn't it? I take zero flights, I use zero conflict minerals, I buy zero goods from companies and countries with poor human rights records, I pay zero ...
Yes, it is rather frustrating, but to be fair he's the only one engaging in a discussion so it's hardly surprising is it? I mean, there's only four ba...
Yes, only the only people who have recently presented views on the meaning of the text outside of the standard Hacker interpretation you're using have...
If they cannot be observed (nor their consequences) then how can you know this? You're begging the question by presuming we're born with some instinct...
Not agreeing with it and wanting it to change are two entirely different things. I'm perfectly glad you've had a good time doing what you've been doin...
If you want to know how people learn colours then you'd be well advised to simply observe people learning colours. It's an empirical investigation, it...
But who thought we did learn colours like that. Did you? It's not a puzzle in the least... unless you are looking for a general rule, which is exactly...
I'm not denying that's my opinion. I'm questioning why that would make you feel obliged to stop posting (or that I should start another thread for tha...
Not at all, why would you think that? I'm only expressing my personal view of a useful/interesting interpretation exercise in the light of Streetlight...
Again, you're missing the point of my bringing it up with respect to this thread. I'm not just randomly saying that veganism doesn't make sense becaus...
I'm not sure there's much point replying in this thread as it seems clear now that the paradox the OP was referring to was not the paradox I thought i...
I think that would be an excellent idea. The way I read PI is rather like a geologist taking temperature readings from inside a volcano and finding th...
I've not heard 'vegan' being used in that way (as in more vegan / less vegan) I've only ever heard it used as a term to describe people who do not use...
The comment of yours which I took to start this little exchange was; So the point very much is why avoiding animal products? If one is not attempting ...
Yes but the term 'charity worker' does not only apply to someone who does the most charity work it is possible to do, the term 'charitable donor' does...
I don't mean what vegans qua people are advocating (how could any of us possibly know that without exhaustive survey), I mean what vegans as a philoso...
Just skimming through what has been written so far and I found this, which seems not to have been taken up on. I'm not a full blown 'therapeutic philo...
But that's not what vegans are advocating with regards to meat eating though is it? Vegans are advocating eliminating meat, not minimising it. The unc...
The oddity of veganism (which may be what @"DingoJones" is getting at) is that it takes a principle requiring empirical data and treats it as if it di...
Firstly, knowing how it feels to suffer is not sufficient cause to think something is morally wrong. It also requires that one hold a belief that caus...
Nothing really. I didn't see such a situation as relevant. The problem was only with the first such disapproval, and I was pointing out that there nee...
As I think I said, it's not intended as a definition of 'authority'. As far as I follow the argument thus far, the OP suggested that we need some exte...
I'm not following your objection. I'm saying that people use each other as their 'authority', which resolves the problem of the 'first authority'. So ...
I'm not seeing how any of these limitations relate to your argument that empathy is a requirement for moral behaviour. You just seem to be arguing tha...
The golden rule is to base your behaviour on how you would like to be treated. Thus it only requires that you know how you feel. Knowing how others fe...
It isn't one. The proposition I was responding to was that the theory (of following authority) runs into the problem of having to find the first autho...
Wouldn't it? You can follow a colour chart can't you? I don't hear anyone complaining that such charts 'make no sense'. Why not? If I added to the ins...
Yeah, well you crack on with that, I don't want to sound like I'm telling people what they should do. This is as much aimed at the other posts as your...
Just to throw in my two penneth on 58, since it's raised quite an issue. I think it's actually an indication of what is spelled out more clearly in 12...
This may just be a turn of phrase and carry no indication of your thought on the matter, but I'd dispute the idea that Wittgenstein is making any onto...
It seems we're largely in agreement then, I simply got confused by your original response that "I don’t think we can forgo a careful reading, an “exeg...
I'm not sure I see how, but perhaps I'm missing something. An aphorism is supposed to evoke something in the reader. That something is not 'hidden' in...
We're going round in circles. You keep talking about "false" assumptions, I'm just asking how you know they are false prior to determining what 'false...
Yes, I'm not suggesting no exegesis, I'm advising against too close-focused an exegesis which I think is at risk here. The examination of sections wit...
Well yes, but that's trivially true and I can't see anyone disagreeing, who's going to argue that being knowingly prejudiced is a good thing? The reas...
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