Yeah, that's kind of the point. Do I not owe society anything for all that? Exactly. He did it for humanity in general (his future community more spec...
It's not about the simple act of spending money on a problem, it's about where the money's spent. We know for a fact that general health improves outc...
I'm still not quite clear how your system would work. As a child I benefited from a considerable amount of societal boons, right from birth. Should so...
So, seeing how strongly you feel about communities having moral coercion over individuals, I don't understand how you explain or figure duty. If your ...
Yes, absolutely I think that (or at least not the scale of effect relied on). Developing a vaccine involves a very great number of resources and those...
Then what did create morality? It's not obviously like light (which is made of the sorts of fundamental particles which evidently emerged from the big...
So, just to clarify, for you my second caveat to "Get the consent of others before doing something potentially harmful to them", the one about taking ...
Fair point. No problem, I'm sorry for any sloppiness in my writing which may have mislead you. The premise we were talking about was whether one can c...
Yes, to think that the collective professor-hood of world physics didn't think to come and check what you personally find intuitively plausible before...
Absolutely right. Which is why this Hollywood disaster movie narrative needs to be undermined. The hero is not going to "tell little Johnny I love him...
I add the caveats so that I'm not forced into repugnant conclusions by following the rule. we've already established that what we personally find appe...
I've not been following this thread, just had a quick skim to catch up so apologies if I missed them, but this is a particular area of interest of min...
So why did you cite one from that period to make your point? Well, that would be really useful, from where would you get your data and what model do y...
The point here, before we get sidetracked, is that if we're going to maximise our chances of preventing the next million deaths resulting from this th...
Right, I get what you mean by 'timeframe' now. No, none of these studies are from after July, but then I very much doubt the 60% figure is from after ...
It doesn't say, but at Emory University in Atlanta they got a mortality rate among 165 COVID-19 patients placed on a ventilator of just under 30%, so ...
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2765184 This one perhaps? There were serious methodological flaws (still struggling patients were no...
Well if your figures only include a subset of all ventilated patients then the study you're extracting them from must be extreme indeed because prior ...
According to the recently collated experience at Vanderbilt University Medical Center As bad as it is is bad enough, there's no advantage in pushing a...
I see. Then the problem is prior to this stage, as this stage already assumes there exists a coherent, well-defined metaphysical constructed set 'firs...
What's the difference between an intuition and an intuitive conclusion? Well then it relies on intuitions which are very uncommon. I fail to see how w...
Yes, but this is part of the main point I'm trying to make. You seem to have this sharp line between a moral intuition used as a premise and a moral i...
Not sure if this is the same thing you're talking about, but the thing I found with mine is that they never took anything for granted everything was q...
Cool. I did a bit of 'group work' with my local home-ed group too, much the same experience (but without the religion - more 'yoga and yoghurt' - curi...
Excellent! My two both learned how to read without any input from teachers too. Neither have had any formal lessons at all prior to university and bot...
But if believing them leads to antinatalism then each premise leads to counter intuitive conclusions if believed too. You haven't removed the counter ...
Ah, then we have crossed wires somewhere. Here's what I get thus far from your argument... 1. There exists a metaphysical construct called 'phenomenal...
Yet you've not explained why you have an issue with there being something metaphysically special about us. We are perhaps the only species to engage i...
The example here was about disabled children, not children in general. You were implying that disability was a harm which it would be immoral to cause...
Yet... Before the first page is even out it had become about antinatalism, We cannot justify any harms on the basis of poor decisions => all harms mus...
Yes, using threads in this site as a measure of reasonable activity is certainly not advisable! - I'll deal with all the stuff about whether this thre...
It would be as terrible an idea as is pedagogically teaching children about anything. Children are not mindless vessels to be filled with the 'wisdom'...
You're not obliged to respond, I won't be offended if you just don't. You asked me to list the assumptions which were uncommon, I didn't just voluntee...
Yes. You've made your neo-liberal individualism pretty clear a number of times already. What is absent is any reason at all why we should think this w...
The attack I'm mounting, such as it is, is not against the moral position of 'antinatalism'. It's against the idea that such a position is somehow a l...
That's not 'reasoning'. There's no 'reasoning' taking place there at all, it's simply a declaration of how you happen to feel at the moment. Nonsense....
No it doesn't. It simply declares it by the definition of the imaginary world in which the experiment takes place. We don't have an actual Mary who wa...
And how do we decide which of these clashing axioms trumps which? Yes. If you were working out the length of timber needed for a table cross brace usi...
Yes, that's correct. So. Some people are deserving of ridicule, others aren't. I'm not seeing the relevance here. Your starting premise is odd, you've...
That's not a sufficient justification for any given starting point. Notwithstanding that, you having personally chosen such an odd starting place is a...
As I said right at the beginning (and indeed the last time we discussed this) if one agrees with your idiosyncratic axioms then maybe one is indeed co...
Why is my view that humanity should be preserved "obstinate assertion and indignation", but your view that "cause harm to someone or a negative" must ...
I'm not sure many would, but I don't see that's relevant. It's quite an unusual principle that one's personal emotional response is what provides the ...
I didn't mention 109% or utopia. It is only necessary that suffering is outweighed by pleasures unless you hold to something like asymmetric valuation...
It has nothing to do with intuitions at this point. The intuition that we are not upset about the lack of life on Mars is uncontested (though it could...
Yeah, and this sums up exactly what I'm saying. You're not compelled by unassailable logic to look at things the way you do. Absolutely every single o...
Where are you getting those figures from? I can't find a source newer than the sources for CFR, and it seems rather short-sighted to counter the impli...
I can't speak to all anti-natalist arguments, obviously, it was lazy of me not to specify. The argument here, and in previous such posts, is that we c...
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