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@"Luke" Your argument applies to any kinesthetic skill: who would claim to know how to play the guitar after reading "How To Play the Guitar", even if...

"eff off" is the preferred usage in this thread.

If they are not the same (which they are obviously not), the words "ride the bike" won't complete anything, when what is needed is riding the bike.

As if "ride the bike" were the same as riding the bike. :roll: Reading "ride the bike", the effable part, will not add an iota of knowledge of how to ...

The war in Ukraine perhaps represents the most significant offensive use of nuclear weapons since WW2. Not in their hot use, but in the terroristic th...

Sure sounds like:

You are almost there. You almost made a substantive reply. Kidding, not close.

The sensation of red, of course. If it, or anything, is ineffable, then you would expect circularity: "Which sensation? The red one. What is a red sen...

Sure, if they have the experience. The real world medical condition of blindness is a red herring. What I was going for was "An individual who has no ...

So you have moved from "experience is a social construct" to "the conceptualization and verbalization of experience is a social construct"? (Which we ...

There is not one single red sensation, it is a family. I learned to associate a spectrum of color sensations corresponding to a spectrum of light cent...

The concept of red, as in a grouping of similar colors under the rubric of a single word, is a social construct. But this is trivial, this is just how...

It's ineffable. You must possess a preternatural understanding of what the brain can and can't do. No tests and all the tests fail, things are looking...

Have you guys discussed this article yet? It argues that the war in Ukraine amounts to genocide. I am hard pressed to disagree. Yet it doesn't even go...

Cool, that is exactly what one would expect of something that cannot be described, only named.

@"Isaac" @"Joshs" Babies begin to see red after a few weeks... long before any of this social construction guff might have had time to take hold. And ...

Redness, the visual sensation I experience when an object or light source designated "red" enters my visual field .

Maybe I last experienced it when I was looking at a bottle of hot sauce. How did I know? When I was a small child I learned to associate this sensatio...

I don't know a blind person to ask. In fact this suggests they do indeed have visual experiences. But my point is, how would you determine what they e...

I have experiences of red, therefore I have knowledge of what it can be like to experience red, therefore such knowledge exists. As a human with funct...

Arrogant bluster aside, you really aren't very good at this. Perhaps you have forgotten already? Yet computers have learned to use the word red withou...

Yes. A blind person would understand all those words and yet know nothing of the sensation of red. He certainly has not. A computer can learn how to u...

This tells me a quality of the sensation (vibrancy), another color sensation it reminded you of(blood), and how it later made you feel(calmer). But no...

Then please, demonstrate so. Unless you claim you have none?

How can I close my eyes and easily imagine the color red and green, divorced from any object? You will have to point me to the research that is inform...

And yet our blind friend is none the wiser to it.

Even if it were true that conscious experiences are epiphenomenal, this is not to say they don't exist. What is the difference between experiencing a ...

You misunderstood, the frustration was at your mental block, not mine. Again, you misunderstand. No one can say anything about the experience of red. ...

You can take it as frustration at what must be a mental block of some kind. I'm blind. Please explain to me in terms I can understand what it is like ...

:rofl: :roll: This says the cup is colored red, but nothing about the experience of the color red.

Merely mouthing words is not enough. By your logic this thread is a non-starter, for as soon as anything purportedly ineffable is merely mentioned, it...

Yes. Per my example, it is something they cannot do, and we (sighted) cannot say, to them. We cannot say the experience of sight, it is ineffable.

The blind can use color words as labels (red ball vs. blue ball). They can discuss the optical properties of different colored light. They can use col...

Anyone can use any word. By pattern recognition anyone can use any word in a plausible sounding way. What the blind cannot do re color words is know w...

Experience itself cannot be conveyed. Yet, it is possible via language to project the speaker's experience into a similar experience imagined by the l...

It is the familiar problem of explaining color to the blind person. In vain you will fumble with the heat of red and the chill of blue, the lush verda...

You are implicitly reifying morality, then complaining that it does not meet your absurd requirement. Humans are cooperative animals. Morality is a co...

I'm not decided, which is really why I posted. Why did you do it? Where did you go? I can do some remote work to make up for some budgetary deficitst,...

Yes. Reason doesn't ever motivate. Rather, we perform motivated, driven reason. Our drives are animal, dressed up with reason after the fact. Reason i...

Am I introducing new constraints? Working until retirement is a massive constraint, the expenditure of the bulk of life, and is predicated on having a...

There are two definitions: * Belief Independent * Authentic Conflating them will only lead to confusion

I do not. You regard the severely depressed as morally similar to sadists and abusers?

When you have catastrophic loss of animal and insect biomass, ecosystem collapses, extinction rates comparable to historical extinction events, then m...

Curious about your source on this. And it's not like I aspire to mere survival. The world as a whole is the greatest artistic masterpiece there will e...

Yes, in both cases the future is seen as an illusion. For cancer it is just the individuals, here it is everyone's, but the effect is largely the same...

Evil is to act without regard for the well being of the other. This is epistemically objective to the degree motivations can be objectively determined...

To be moral is just to treat moral agents justly. Our concept of justice is largely built in and intuitive. What has always been at issue is who is wo...

But, the Maltese Falcon, on it's own, cannot do any of these things. It must be encoded in some way to exert causal power.

I have had similar thoughts. I came to the conclusion that the world is comprised of both material and information. They are never isolated; physical ...