No, you are missing the distinction between "not attended to" and "not conscious". Think of looking at a painting. You are aware of the visual gestalt...
Perceptual experience represents the world to conscious awareness. We are aware of a gestalt of perceptual experience, and can choose to attend to a t...
This is not necessarily weaker, just different. It seems more accurate to say that perceptual experience is a representation, and that language and kn...
I have an answer no one has given yet that I think is the correct one: lower organisms that do not use representational perception perceive directly. ...
When you smell something you cannot attribute to an object, the only thing you are aware of is the phenomenal experience of the smell, which is exactl...
Am I being that unclear? My point is not that perceptions are of many things. My point is that perception is not just "seeing an object", you have to ...
The point is not whether you confuse hallucination with reality, nor how much acid you've dropped. The point is you can't lump together awareness of o...
If we simply "see things" how do you account for hallucinations? That we are aware of representations as well as the thing is more obvious with other ...
A Smell allows perception of a cake, or odor molecules. What the conscious self is directly aware of, is not the cake, not the odor molecules, but jus...
What makes all the internal, immediate stuff more than a hallucination or dream is that you are in fact experiencing a baseball game... via all the in...
I say that colors, sounds, smells, and tastes "map" to objective features in the same way that mathematical functions map from one domain to another. ...
But then, you are kind of left with no word at all to describe your relation to the baseball game. There are plenty for what you are talking about: "p...
You seem to be using the word "experience" and "experience itself" as if they only meant "phenomenal experience". There are other kind of experience, ...
I would experience Jodie's words directly, instead of via Bob, and the game directly, instead of via the TV. But these events would still be experienc...
Disagree. Applying direct and indirect to experience is the only way I've seen to make sense of this question. Casual chains lead to a mare's nest of ...
In "perceptions of the world", that a perception is indeed "of the world", and not a hallucination, must be inferred. Because, this information is not...
I agree, My argument wasn't "unconscious inference makes something indirect", I just wanted to challenge the sort of naive claims we see here, "we jus...
We certainly don't "just see" trees and chairs. What we see are very incomplete visual details of one angle upon the tree and chair. Then, we use this...
"Direct" does not mean "as direct as you can get". "As direct as you can get" may still be indirect. What is it compared to? The directness of the per...
Another super annoying thing. I hate how when you quote, the quote goes wherever the cursor happens to be. 95% of the time this is in the middle of a ...
On my (high end) android at least, it's like, tap the ellipses... nothing happens, tap it again... maybe in 5-10 seconds, the edit pencil will show up...
How do you reply to this argument from hallucination? Nothing logically prevents us from hallucinating in a way that appears identical to the real thi...
Reading this, why wouldn't you conclude: perception is inherently indirect? No problem. Lets say then, experience, including perceptual experience, is...
Indirect realists also believe this. Perceptions of objects are representations of these objects, and so our perceptions of the object is indirect, be...
Wait, what am I supposed to be agreeing with? I suspect that I ought to be lumped. Really? There was a time when inference was the exclusive provenanc...
@"Michael"'s usage seems entirely appropriate. The knowledge that there is a tree in front of me is not a given, transmitted directly into my brain. T...
To me it is crystal clear. Only by way of the sounds and sights coming from the viewing device do you experience the on screen action of the film. And...
And what does "more primary" mean? We are talking about experiential indirection, not some nebulous valuation. I guess this sounds about right. No, th...
I have tried to provide a better account. Experience can be organized into layers of varying degrees of directness. Consider the experience of watchin...
I'm arguing that there is no fundamental difference in the phenomenal character of imaginings and sense perception. That the phenomenal sense of imagi...
In the context of this debate, there is no such thing as a direct experience of an external world object, since all such experiences are mediated by p...
I'm not talking about physical things in the casual chain. I'm talking about experiential mediation, not physical mediation. So for example, if I see ...
I said nothing of the sort. Experience can be layered, so that something can be experienced indirectly via a primary experience. See my example of the...
Same thing. Just as, "am I seeing the rose, or am I seeing the light reflected off its petals"? It's hard to see how, if that difference cannot even b...
The distinction is about mediation. Is the experience mediated, so that it arrives second hand, via a more direct experience? Or is there no interveni...
Realism is what both sides agree upon, as suggested by direct/indirect realism.The difference is that it is assumed in indirect, and somehow directly ...
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