RegularGuy

In your view morality is about sentiments? If so, I disagree if that’s all there is to it, and I can see how you would not have socialization as the c...

You are much more mature than I am in that I noticed you never let people antagonize you. I am also a very silly person as my wife and children know. ...

When I’m just sitting with the radio on and thinking, I am usually not bored. Most people would find this boring, but I do it for many hours every day...

Or do you mean that the Allies were morally justified in fighting Hitler but other wars lacked moral justification?

I don’t know why you would say that other wars were “nothing but moral ambiguities”. But maybe you know more about the history of warfare than I do. F...

At least that’s what I got out of your use of the term “use”.

I think I might agree with you that the meaning OF “tree” is the relationship of how the word is used with the physical object it refers to.

I never actually read anything on the topic of meaning, but I have interest in it.

What I should have said was that a burger is always perceived or thought about when spoken of. What it is like without a mind perceiving it or thinkin...

I suppose what I originally meant was that meaning is always meaning OF something, such as a word or phrase or sentence or symbol of some kind. The me...

I will have to give it more thought.

No. The association in the mind between the word “tree” and the thing, trees. How the word refers through this association is the meaning. In a sense ...

Then it is being conceived. That also requires a mind.

Yes, and it’s meaning is what it refers to, viz. the plants with bark and leaves (or needles).

That’s clearly not what I said.

I don’t know what else I can say. I thought I laid it out before you.

As I said, morality is taught just as any other linguistic knowledge. Socialization teaches the shared moral norms of a society. Any other function of...

Morality is taught just like any other form of linguistic knowledge. I don’t know how to prove that to you.

I don’t know how to prove to you that we are social creatures sharing linguistic meaning other than ...

If morality came from the individual, then there would be no need for socialization. Socialization ensures the smooth working of society. Society is t...

It seems we are at an impasse. I believe my premises are true. You don’t. Oh well.

Why is it false?

I added another premise followed by the conclusion. Also: Society is the necessary conclusion of social creatures with linguistic meaning and communic...

What about the rest of the argument?

Pain is bad. (a given) Pain is instinctively avoided. (another given) Causing pain in other people is bad. (from the first given, and the fact that we...

He didn’t say that. He is saying that the action is MORALLY wrong.

This has to be a category error or something fallacious. He isn’t saying that “pain is immoral”. He is saying that by our very nature, pain is somethi...

If morality came from the individual, there would be no need for socialization. There is a need for socialization. Thus, morality doesn’t come from th...

Through shared meaning, communication, socialization.

I would argue that all of these except for pleasure and pain come from society. Pleasure and pain are the foundation of moral feeling I think. I said ...

I already gave my views of the extra-mental in I believe it was the “Horses are Cats” thread. Nothing we can speak about is truly extra-mental. Are yo...

Nothing to do with any teleological goals of society, unless you mean the survival of the community. Morality comes from society/socialization as we a...

How do you think socialization works? How do you think society works? If we were all lone wolves fighting for territory, this might make sense. As the...

:lol: The floods never receded where I live.

dog bless you

I am not Moses, but I AM Noah, father of humankind. :razz:

I don’t think any good god would even care about it.

I capitalize proper names and such because I am an anal-retentive pedant when it comes to such things. I take no offense at other people’s punctuation...

My lack of motivation is unnatural.

It is difficult to know what God “says” or even if one can speak of Him in this way. If you believe that Jesus was God, then you can get some evidence...

I couldn’t help myself.

That’s a very astute distinction.

I don’t know S personally, but maybe he’s bad at sports and was always picked last in gym class. Philosophy is his forum for defeating others and winn...

I thought that was odd, too. I suspected he mixed up his two statements.

Thank you for the thoughtful post. I agree about your point on theory worship.

So you are definitely a descriptive moral relativist. So am I. Are you also a meta-ethical moral relativist? I am not.

Will do

So you believe in moral truths? If so, then I have nothing to argue about.

Both together suffice for a moral truth.

Moral feeling is a necessary condition. Harm to society is a necessary condition. I think both of them together is sufficient.