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I don't agree, since, using your analogy, "taste" refers to brain states, and brain states are collections of chemicals/particles, in my view. (With t...

Firstly, some ontological claims are identical with ontological commitments. That's why I wrote "where claims/proposals don't necessarily equate with ...

In my view, everything is constantly in relative flux with other things (on a macro and micro level). So some x "working" or "being" in particular way...

What would be a good reason to believe that "something is controlling" your thinking? Just because something is possible doesn't mean that's a good re...

Criteria or standards are mental. Criteria, evaluation, and value are subjective (i.e. occurring in minds only).

I look at it this way. Science and philosophy, while sharing some similarities, are methodologically distinct: the former is generally more experiment...

We were initially, but then it became important for me to make distinctions between other senses, for the sake of clarity. This seems to presume that ...

What happened to your response to my question: "What would "exactly accurate" refer to? What does it mean to have an "exactly accurate" image to a thi...

Yes. Just to clarify, we also have a sensory apparatus that detects externals/light-as-external/etc. Perception involves the combination of sensory an...

Using "inside" and "outside" like that I think confuses things. It's rather that properties of light (that are interacting with properties of the book...

Yes, I agree. As you say, this is not a case of the actual book touching one's mental apparatus; the book is not actually touching my eye. What is tou...

If you'd like an explanation just ask. Whether or not you'll accept that explanation is another matter. Re "you decree this from above", I don't consi...

I agree that criteria can exist objectively in the sense of text or sounds. But the source of the criteria comes from minds. And again, what makes som...

By "qualia" I mean "what it's like to experience some phenomena", that is, the qualities of an experience. See "(1)" under "1. Uses of the Term 'Quali...

I'm happy to be corrected. What is the point of taking an intuitive approach in your view? Btw, the reason I made that assumption was because I though...

I see. So essentially what you wanted from this thread was others to understand, agree or share similar views re beauty within a macrocosmic hierarchy...

Ok. So if I took an intuitive route, I would more likely arrive at the same or similar destination as you. Do you have in mind what the destination wh...

Right. So it's as though my taking a specific route (analytic, in this case) towards some destination would lead me astray. Whereas maybe taking a dif...

Let me ask you this: would it have made any difference if I had arrived at (more or less) the same conclusions via a more intuitive route?

First off, it's a fact that "explanations" are subjective. There are no objective criteria for what counts as a correct/incorrect or right/wrong "expl...

Well "explanation" is subjective, and individuals have different criteria as to what counts as an explanation. I think that's where some of the dissat...

Just to clarify, by "numbers" I take it you mean abstract concepts like "2", equations, and the like? The materials of "different devices" would not b...

Why ought I to do that? What makes you think I haven't already paused for moments in the past to think about what value is already? I haven't been app...

Sure. I should have asked instead "are you an anti-realist with regards to abstract/conceptual objects, like mathematical abstract objects like "numbe...

I see. Are you an anti-realist with regards to mathematics?

I think I can see why it's tough for you to make a clear distinction. The way I think about the dichotomy is like this: Subjectivity and objectivity b...

That's what I'm wondering about. Not necessarily. Priority and generation could just refer to facts/states of affairs without agency being involved. B...

Thanks for sharing that stuff about your personal, meaningful experiences btw. How are you using "subjective" and "objective"? I believe that we (subj...

It's not clear to me whether you're (a) saying that objects don't have intrinsic value, or (b) you're saying that gold has intrinsic value, and this i...

I don't know if you're not confusing and/or conflating "number" with "multiple things". "Number" is a mathematical construct existing within an axioma...

Because your "intrinsic to our experience" isn't clear to me. Yes. Which is why I've been interested in finding out what "beauty" is ontologically for...

I see. So what determines levels of hierarchy is priority and generation? Is generation synonymous with causation there? So if the physical generated ...

Within the study of what there is (i.e. one's ontology), it makes sense to say something like "x is y ontologically". It's about ascertaining what som...

I just want to clarify something: For me, "experience" is synonymous with "conscious experience". Do you agree? I'd prefer to say that the properties ...

Could you specify some examples of number being inherent in nature? Physicalism says that every thing/object/existent is physical; that includes minds...

Ah right. So the non-physical is what...superior to/better than the physical? Would you say that the assertion that "consciousness/non-physicality det...

So if value is subjective, then it is "nothing"? That doesn't make sense. Or do you mean, if value is subjective then it is worth nothing, or value-le...

Ok, so if "beauty" is not an entity but requires an observer, then what, ontologically, is "beauty" in your view? Does it have a spatiotemporal locati...

What are "numbers" ontologically in your view? In my view, "numbers" are abstract concepts that exist in the mind. Ontologically, they exist as partic...

Just because (present) judgements (aesthetic or otherwise) can change doesn't mean they can't have value as (present) judgements.

Ok. Why is that particular quality/aspect the determinant of relative levels of hierarchy? Why not, say, limbs or mass, for example?

Let me put it another way: what determines whether the beings/objects on this macrocosmic hierarchy are relatively higher or lower?

Yes, although I realise "features of experience" isn't so clear. Just to clarify, by "features of experience" I mean features/properties of the enviro...

Features of experience. We employ abstract concepts to classify, organise, structure, associate etc. to features of reality for various purposes.

Ah, I don't agree with Aristotle.

That doesn't really clear things up for me. What is the difference between "form" and "matter" ontologically? Are you saying that "Being" is identical...

We are? In my view form is identical to matter. For something/matter to exist it must have form. It doesn't make sense to me to think that matter has ...

Could you say more...?

You mean that any being cannot escape its own subjectivity? If so, I agree. For the bird to sense/perceive/evaluate anything from a perspective other ...

Thanks for the tip. :) I think it's essentially a combination of acquiring anatomical features that serve us functionally in (mentally) organising and...