DingoJones

...you realise me and S are not the same person right? I didnt say you were mischaracterising my position... Anyway, you denied that you committing a ...

I thought you might have more to say on the first part of my last post, it seems especially relevant given you agree that the best standard is the one...

This is a fallacy, the argument from ignorance I believe. Since science doesnt know the answer, it can’t know the answer and I can insert so and so go...

That isnt the standard of science, that is a description of broad concepts within science. The standard is the scientific method. The problem with tha...

Lol, nice to have you back.

Sufficient evidence according to the scientific method, including peer review and testability. Yes, scientists can reach unscientific conclusions, hum...

I didnt mean that no, it was the group valuing something, a common value level (by value level I mean how much a particular thing is valued) present i...

I seriously have to explain to you what science is a standard for?! Hard pass. I cannot believe I exhibit subjective self awareness? This is the most ...

Oi. “Insufficient evidence to support the proposition that there is a god” is not the same as “there is no scientific proof that god exists therefore ...

That is not what I said, while you are looking up cognitive dissonance also take a look at the term “strawman”. Pay closer attention to my first parag...

Like I said, cognitive dissonance.

According to science, the scientific method, there is insufficient evidence to support the proposition that there is a god. That is to say, conclusion...

Well, I do not mean anything like the majority or powerful members of the group assigning value levels when I say the group has a certain value level,...

The level of value of the group isnt literal? What changes between an individual and a group that makes the latter no longer literal?

Right, but couldnt they be thinking about the value in the same particular way? It doesnt mean they have to be the same consciousness, only that there...

Don’t they “literally” have a value that “obtains” more or less the same as the “literal” value that obtains in an individual?

How would you describe a collective value? Sure, ultimately it is composed of individuals valuing things but I wouldn’t say its “only” that, I would d...

Nah, suicide is easier to stage. I think the immorality of governments is informed by the immorality of its people. It always comes back to the people...

Lol, holy shit. Always amazing to me when someone is so confident and so confused. I could have used a better word than “thought”, but it seemed preci...

I agree. I think this board is representative of the larger populous though. There is a cultural shift towards this sort of relativistic reality where...

So to you there is no sensible way of defining poverty, not even for the purposes of conversation? Arbitrary is different than relative, something can...

Well we arent specifying those measures of poverty. Obviously if someone uses the word poverty to describe something that isnt poverty, we are free to...

What do you think is the cause of poverty? Couldn't we just address that?

Sure, those seem like valid criticisms of incredulity. Certainly it doesnt seem like god is making much sense or being very moral but the believer wil...

Well, presumably god has cosmic responsibilities that necessitate actions he cannot otherwise morally justify. Thats what I suspect a religious person...

Thing is, we do not really know. We hardly know much at all about how such things might work and its certainly could be discovered one way or another....

Not legally, no. Obviously. As to use of illegal pot, not all illegal weed is from cartels, someone concerned about the ethics would have to be discer...

I think your question is muddled. You arent asking about the ethics of legal marijuana, you are asking about whether it is ethical to use marijuana if...

Not sure if troll is the right term for him, but the method for dealing with him is the same. Do not feed. I also wouldnt say he is ignorant, just dog...

Also, concerning Devon99, these kinds of retards will not go away if people continue to interact with them. I understand the impulse to rail against t...

Im a little perplexed here as well, are you/would you objecting to something along the lines of “Everything we know so far supports cause and effect, ...

Try and walk through a wall. Try and lift a mountain. When you attempt those things and fail, you are able to draw reasonable conclusions about some t...

So if I understand your point correctly, you are questioning what god was up to before the advent of religion? The fact that the religions and “god” s...

Lol, im an honourable person, I would never try and match wits with such an unarmed opponent. Matching wits isnt what I was doing. (How could I possib...

Holy shit. Nothing gets through huh? None of that has anything to do with what I was talking about. In addition, none of it is a new thought from you ...

Its a ridiculous request to make. You could not have been serious in the asking. One example? My neighbour Larry, just had a moral discussion with him...

I think he is talking about an objective standard, and not meant in the sense of mental/non mental per say. A standard created for reference, like a m...

Sure, in logic and math (maybe). Did I stumble into a discussion where it had been agreed to use only that context? My mistake, I must have missed tha...

Wording is important here, I didnt say “equal”.

I wasnt talking about “identity” as strictly the use in formal logic. It has more meanings than that. Also, you do not have to abandon a pillar of log...

Im not sure in what way identity underpins logic, but I cannot see where I said anything extreme. What implications do you imagine are extreme, from w...

In a certain sense I would say so ya. Obviously, when making references informally “identical” is perfectly coherent though. Ah, you added to it. Ok, ...

Im not sure what 2 identical to 2 would mean. In the strict, technical way we are talking about here nothing can truly identical to anything else.

I don’t think so, I just do not know the proper/formal terminology. I was hoping you would be able to understand what I meant. “Not actually red” in t...

Yes, it would have to be at the same time in order to be identical. If the time was different, that would not be identical. To be identical there can ...

So two things that are red are not actually red but rather two different colors that we just refer to as red as an approximation? Does a distinction b...

I just finished saying it wouldnt have the same instance of color. Instance of color and color are not the same thing. The former has a temporal quali...

It would have to be identical in all ways to be “identical”. Thats an important distinction here isnt it? Things can have identical properties, such a...

Does it matter that it obtains mentally, if thats what you are getting at? Its based on something non-mental is the point, not that the connecting tis...

What words do you want him to use? Could you just skip to that part for a sec so I can stop following the micro point/counterpoint thing you guys have...