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Marijuana Use and Tertiary Concerns

Jude Joanis July 11, 2019 at 20:00 5875 views 22 comments
Is the use of marijuana, even in a legal market, ethical?

Some US states have fledgling marijuana markets. However, most marijuana in the US still comes from cartels in Mexico, Central and South America. The organizations responsible for bringing marijuana into the United States are largely the same organizations that traffic in cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, etc and engage in mass murder, rape, extortion, and human trafficking. Doesn't this make the use of marijuana from these sources unethical?

The first objection I see is that drugs should be legalized to allow a legal path for these drugs to be produced. However, any legal market for drugs in the US would be regulated. Regulation increases the end production cost. Cartels, who already have the trafficking routes into the US would not be subject to these regulations. Only a few unscrupulous farms or wholesalers would be necessary to blend the trafficked drugs with legal domestic drugs.

Noting that even in a legal market some portion of marijuana would be from criminal cartels that practice violence, is it ethical to use marijuana?

Comments (22)

Shawn July 11, 2019 at 20:03 #306095
Reply to Jude Joanis

I'm not sure if what you're saying is factually correct. The majority of marijuana in legalized states is produced locally, as far as I know. The marijuana grown in Mexico or South America is of poor quality.

Quoting Jude Joanis
Noting that even in a legal market some portion of marijuana would be from criminal cartels that practice violence, is it ethical to use marijuana?


Well, this doesn't follow if the cartels aren't profiting from it, yes?
DingoJones July 11, 2019 at 20:20 #306106
Reply to Jude Joanis

I think your question is muddled. You arent asking about the ethics of legal marijuana, you are asking about whether it is ethical to use marijuana if that marijuana is produced through bloodshed and horror.
Is that you Tim Wood?
Most legal marijuana is grown locally, as someone pointed out you have your facts wrong. No legal weed is cartel weed. Do you think that legal pot distributors are getting their weed from cartels? No. It is tightly regulated, and where the pot comes from is traceable and must be a legal, government approved source (depending on where you are talking about, Im talking about here in Canada where it is legal across the country.)
Deleted User July 11, 2019 at 20:42 #306109
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BC July 11, 2019 at 21:11 #306116
Reply to Jude Joanis Some drugs are illegal to use for a reason: cannabis, cocaine, opioids, meth, LSD, etc. are substances that involve various risks (great and small) to the users. Tobacco and alcohol pose at least as much risk, and should be as illegal as cocaine or opioids, if we were to be consistent.

Illicit drug users who comprise the market draw to our shores suppliers who are much less benign than the Jolly Green Giant. Drug pushers help create the market in the first place.

Most pharmaceutical drugs are controlled because their unregulated use would either result in negative consequences for the person taking them improperly or would result in their loss of effectiveness, as when antibiotics are not used properly.

Terrapin Station July 11, 2019 at 21:17 #306119
Reply to Jude Joanis

How many people buy moonshine now? That's about the same percentage that would buy illegal weed if it were legalized.
Jude Joanis July 11, 2019 at 21:19 #306121
Reply to Wallows Couldn't wholesalers mix illegal marijuana with that of their local supply chain? Also no one answered my question about illegal marijuana. In states where marijuana is still illegal, is it ethical to use marijuana knowing that it comes from cartels?
Jude Joanis July 11, 2019 at 21:21 #306123
Reply to Terrapin Station Is the pricing structure and production cost for moonshine and now alcohol analogous to weed?
Terrapin Station July 11, 2019 at 22:08 #306132
Reply to Jude Joanis

There's no demand for moonshine because alcohol is legal.

The same would be the case for weed.
DingoJones July 11, 2019 at 23:00 #306147
Quoting Jude Joanis
Couldn't wholesalers mix illegal marijuana with that of their local supply chain?


Not legally, no. Obviously. As to use of illegal pot, not all illegal weed is from cartels, someone concerned about the ethics would have to be discerning.
Deleted User July 13, 2019 at 02:08 #306402
Quoting Jude Joanis
The first objection I see is that drugs should be legalized to allow a legal path for these drugs to be produced. However, any legal market for drugs in the US would be regulated. Regulation increases the end production cost. Cartels, who already have the trafficking routes into the US would not be subject to these regulations. Only a few unscrupulous farms or wholesalers would be necessary to blend the trafficked drugs with legal domestic drugs.
I assume the prices would drop radically once the risk of growing and selling was radically reduced. It is in the interests of the cartels that the drugs are illegal. They'd be driven out of the market. Which raises the issue of whether it is moral to pursue the drug war.

Jude Joanis July 13, 2019 at 14:47 #306502
Reply to Coben I find it highly unlikely that prices would drop enough to eliminate cartels from the market. Cartels have a comparative advantage over legal producers because they don't have to comply with regulation.
Deleted User July 13, 2019 at 14:54 #306507
Quoting Jude Joanis
I find it highly unlikely that prices would drop enough to eliminate cartels from the market. Cartels have a comparative advantage over legal producers because they don't have to comply with regulation.
But then they have to smuggle the drugs which risks prison and more. They have to hire criminals to sell the drugs and monitor that whole process. There might be some small black market, like there is with alcohol since it was relegalized. And they'd be competing with third world growers who did follow regulations and who also had lower costs. As others have pointed out, we just don't see a lot of people producing unregulated beer and spirits. And the laws will also reflect financial and prison punishments to make it not worth their while. The cartels also need to pay for weapons and defend themselves all the time from violent competitors. Though actually they would probably shift to more human trafficking or other drugs that are still illegal.


Jude Joanis July 13, 2019 at 15:00 #306512
Reply to Coben Your argument is persuasive. The real concern I have is that cartels use the same routes for cocaine and heroin, meaning they don't need to find routes specifically for marijuana. But I do acknowledge that human trafficking would probably be more profitable at that point.
Deleted User July 13, 2019 at 15:08 #306514
Quoting Jude Joanis
Your argument is persuasive.


Great.. It is so rare that anyone ever says anything like this - when originally they had a different opinion - it's a little discussion treasure.
uncanni September 02, 2019 at 10:11 #323068
Reply to Jude Joanis It is ethical to use home grown Cannabis. Not only is it infinitely superior to anything you can buy elsewhere, but it is also immensely rewarding to go through the entire process from germination to harvesting and curing it to perfection.
Drazjan September 02, 2019 at 10:45 #323071
I think what is unethical is to pretend cannabis use has no negative side affects, socially or for the individual, just because you like to get high.
Fine Doubter September 02, 2019 at 11:02 #323075
Jude Joannis and Uncanni, some people are allergic to cannabis therefore it is NEVER ethical for anyone to use cannabis that becomes airborne. It should be injected or swallowed, only.
uncanni September 02, 2019 at 12:55 #323126
Reply to Drazjan Deception or self-deception is unethical, I agree. I'm primarily interested in the medicinal research that's being done with more freedom and funding these days. And as some medicines are indeed poison to some users, everyone is responsible for finding the meds that work best for them.

Cannabis does have negative effects on some people in some circumstances, but I'm not about to make a sweeping generalization about it based on that fact. In that sense your statment seems a bit irrational. Also, I don't understand what the problem is with people who like to get high. Please don't make another sweeping generalization, or I won't take you seriously.

I cultivate Cannabis and I make tinctures for various people, including a biology professor whose anxiety is markedly decreased and a few clients with ADHD whose focus is much better with Cannabis than with ritalin, and without the latter's side effects.
Drazjan September 03, 2019 at 03:34 #323485
Quoting uncanni
?Drazjan Deception or self-deception is unethical, I agree. I'm primarily interested in the medicinal research that's being done with more freedom and funding these days. And as some medicines are indeed poison to some users, everyone is responsible for finding the meds that work best for them.

Cannabis does have negative effects on some people in some circumstances, but I'm not about to make a sweeping generalization about it based on that fact. In that sense your statment seems a bit irrational. Also, I don't understand what the problem is with people who like to get high. Please don't make another sweeping generalization, or I won't take you seriously.

I cultivate Cannabis and I make tinctures for various people, including a biology professor whose anxiety is markedly decreased and a few clients with ADHD whose focus is much better with Cannabis than with ritalin, and without the latter's side effects.


You agree, but then accuse me of making a sweeping statement that is irrational. My previous post is not theory, it is made from experience, which should be the basis of any worthwhile philosophy. As for condescending to take me seriously in the future, don't bother yourself. I am not interested in your pompous approval.
uncanni September 03, 2019 at 08:38 #323559
Reply to Drazjan I didn't mean to sound pompous: sorry if I offended you. My point was that Cannabis is a very helpful medicine to lots of people. If your personal experience tells you to stay away, that's good enough.
Fine Doubter September 03, 2019 at 17:02 #323712
Uncanni, as airborne cannabis doesn't give others the opportunity to abstain because it causes them illness and emergency, what you are recommending is unethical.

Your philosophical contributions so far are in line with the letters page of a local paper. You don't sound like a teacher of 66 but one of the well-known campaigners.

What I heartily recommend by contrast is pork, cheese and tea.

As for growing things, lettuce is a narcotic and when airborne, doesn't poison passers-by.
Congau September 26, 2019 at 23:37 #334752
The original question didn’t deal with the morality of marijuana as such, so it could in principle be asked about any product. If product x, apple pie or baby powder or whatever, is produced and distributed in a somewhat unethical fashion, is ethical to buy and consume it?

Well, we rarely know exactly where a product comes from and even those we feel safe about may have a murky source unknown to us. In the world of business and money making, it’s a safe bet to assume that few procedures are 100 percent clean. Should we therefore doubt everything and stop buying or should we only abstain from the obvious cases?

I would say that this is not the responsibility of the individual consumer. A single consumer would not make a difference anyway. The common objection is of course that if everyone follows your example such campaigns may be successful. It’s just that there’s not the slightest reason to believe that your private boycott would have any effect on other people’s behavior. Unless you are a celebrity no one cares what you do. You would just be fighting windmills, and in the process you would be making it uncomfortable for yourself.

By all means, if you have a direct choice between a quantum of marijuana (or any other product) that is ethically produced and one that isn’t, choose the “ethical” one, otherwise, don’t strain yourself.