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So giving someone HIV and them dying of a seperate disease is completely acceptable for you? Assume it was done without the consent or knowledge of th...

I... Don't understand what you're saying at all. Are you saying consent is not required from concert goers and workers can force them in whenver they ...

Assume you can. So what's the difference between this and having children? Having children enables certain kinds of pain but doesn't cause them direct...

Also for the concert hall example, you CHOSE to go to the concert hall. If the guy forced you into the concert hall and it blew up it IS his fault par...

What about the HIV example then? It was the other disease not the HIV that ultimately killed the guy so you're innocent right? Situations like this ar...

What about giving someone HIV and them dying of another disease due to immuno deficiency is that morally wrong for you? After all, you didn't give the...

Having a child is a direct action that you took

By having a child and them exploding in an accident, their suffering is causally peggable to you for having them in the first place

No what I'm doing is denying any connection between subjectivity and matter. I have no idea what is and is not conscious other than me. My couch is co...

Cool. Great. Your kid might not think the same. But I wouldn't say you're morally blameable for not helping more. What should be your sentence for bei...

I never said that. I said it RISKS physically harming them. Per bomb explosion for example. (I also need to go soon so maybe later). Half the reason a...

In the case of having children consent such a person is not available. In the case of planting a bomb such a person is not available. Why is planting ...

You could say that having children is like rigging a bomb to explode then. It risks causing direct physical harm on someone through a material causall...

P1: All subjectively understood information must be transmitted through a physical means. Be it words on a screen or on paper or sound waves. I cannot...

Yes and I'd say it's not responsible. I'll repost my argument from another thread here if you want to read it

Depends on what you mean by means. My brain interprets those marks in a certain way. So if you mean some transcendental greater "meaning" to the words...

How do you construct any system of morality then? If a psychopath "kinda wants to torture someone right now" and he does is that wrong? How could you ...

Here is the thing. I think 99.99% of people do share these values but have some cognitive dissonance that prevents them from admitting the logical sen...

Yes. And because you do not have inflict that suffering to alleviate a similar amount from yourself. And because you don't owe them "potential pleasur...

You're just throwing around dumb unexplained emotional reactions. It's not worth discussing. Don't start discussing a topic if you're going to end by ...

Omg I hear this so often. I am not reducing life to pleasure and pain. Please read my last 10 replies or so because all of them had some reference to ...

No because antinatalism isn't about how you live your life it's just the simple statement that you can't take risks with other people's lives. Mass de...

And you would have needed a chemical change to think of and write those things in the first place, or else you wouldn't have been able to move a muscl...

This is Ad Hominem and doesn't deserve a reply. Please explain to me how exactly free will operates. If I type "free will exists" what caused that typ...

That reason can be reduced to physical causality if the laws of cause and effect are true. Changing certain brain chemicals should do it I was compell...

I'm having trouble understanding what they have to do with each other. what does changing one's mind have to do with whether or not that change of min...

Ok. And I am saying that no one here including you would employ a quantification that makes it so that a parent's pain due to not having children is s...

I don't agree. Where did you get this. I don't even see them as related. The meat machine that just moved it's meat jukebox in a way that said "free w...

You can't really confirm this is true. Idk if you mean experience as in job experience or some subjective experience. If it's subjective you can't con...

This is different because me consuming slightly more or slightly less energy barely helps anyone. Even if I don't eat that much food, that doesn't mea...

Yes it's a different sentence. I'm saying both are true

Ok great. Now what about the parents whose children hate them and whose children don't see a value of life? (note this isn't me I don't have children)...

No we wouldn't need some way to compare the two because: Jane's child will ALSO want to have children presumably to the same or similar extent So one ...

This is a logical fallacy. What does free will have with them changing their minds. One can involuntarily say free will is an illusion and involuntari...

Yea sorry How so? They sound like the same statement to me Well some people interpret "harm" as "pain" in an almost physical sense then go on to say "...

If you think they are good points please read my first reply to Coben and point out faults with it if you find them. I explicitly try to avoid a pleas...

You don't need to measure in this case. The harm of "wanting to have children" HAS TO BE greater than the harm of "wanting to have children" + every o...

Keyword: CAN grant a good life. It is not guaranteed. If there was some way to measure with absolute certainty that your child will find life worthwhi...

Replace "Pain" with "deteriorating state of affairs" and "pleasure" with "improving state of affairs" and all of the antinatalist arguments on this th...

Yes, but the degree to which the people that really want to have children is harmed is much smaller than the degree to which their children are harmed...

That's an interesting way of looking at. I always thought it was more like "appease" than "negotiate" I don't understand what any of those 3 means cou...

The fact that you will be dead much longer than you will be alive doesn't justify me commiting atrocities onto you does it? We can both agree to that....

it doesn't have to. Ok forget about consent Course of action A: have children Result: Someone is harmed or risked harm for no good reason Course of ac...

I mean... I wasn't really looking for life advice but thanks I guess. First off, I don't even work to see income any way, I'm a student. And video gam...

sure.

That is still their choice not mine. I gave them consent to read my comment and they did. They didn't have to. And besides, by spreading my ideas I mi...

You can't. That's why you don't assume it. In the same way that you can't ask for consent from people that WILL go to a public park because you don't ...

I don't need to. I need to demonstrate it's a risk of suffering. Which it obviously is. Have you ever suffered? Yes. Can your children suffer? Yes. Th...

Yes

I hear this so often but it's really not that hard to get. Antinatalism doesn't want to protect magic ghost babies from harm. It wants to protect real...