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But he cannot know what the subjective experience of perceiving color is. In the same way that a rock cannot know what the subjective experience of be...

If that's what you're looking for I think Daniel Dennett's "Consciousness explained" is good. Haven't read it myself though so this is an uninformed o...

I think consciousness is one of those concepts (perhaps the one concept) which you don't have to define or which defining is redundant. If you are con...

I don't want this post to die yet so this is half to revive it and half to ask you about this ethical system you employ You said that it is wrong to: ...

Idk to be honest. I can't trace how my subjective experiences relate to my brain chemistry and consequently my actions. It's really weird that they do...

Just because I can't find an evolutionary use for consciousness doesn't mean determinism or non determinism isn't true. And even if I do find an evolu...

Oy Vey I don't think anyone literally meant "birth causes suffering". Everyone has a problem with it for the same reasons you have a problem with gene...

Ok why are we still talking then? I have a different ethical stance

It is per decision that you based your policy on actions that will impact a living being capable of giving consent in the future based on statistical ...

Cool and you define "abnormal" in a culturally evolved sense? As in whatever society decides is abnormal?

Why then?

Sure. Is genetically modifying sperm and eggs in such a way that the final result of that modification is that a child will be born with 8 broken limb...

No but whenever someone says "genetically modifying a child" that's what they mean. This is basic English That being said, is genetically modifying ch...

That is what "genetically modifying a child" means yes.

Wait no wtf. You genetically modify children by genetically modifying sperm and eggs. That's what genetically modify MEANS. If you want to count it li...

So if it so happens that the WAY you genetically engineer a child to have 8 broken limbs on birth doesn't involve interacting with the embryo post fer...

It could also mean "I don't have a problem with it" as in it is ethically permissable but it IS a moral issue. I am asking for clarification as to whe...

I didn't ask if you had a problem with it I asked do you even consider it, morally speaking. DOES fertilization count as: "actions performed on an ent...

But that is the same in the case of genetic engineering which is done on the sperm and or egg not on "the baby". How do you genetically modify a baby?...

How are you not responsible for their suffering if you enabled it in the first place? If someone genetically modifies a child to suffer tremendously (...

That's not what's written there.... I didn't ask this. Remeber this: Does procreation fall under: actions performed on an entity that is currently not...

As far as I can tell, I can't make a decision not to be aware either. I can't just BECOME ROCK. I WILL continue to be aware against my wishes until I ...

If Jill applying any sort of force on Jack that is going to leave a long lasting effect is bad just cuz then it doesn't matter if that force or someth...

There is no point in debating who's the cause of Jack's suffering if you picked A

Ok. The point of the whole scenario was that IF you were B, I would say that the harm isn't caused by Jill but by Jack's decision. But if it's A then ...

Just to be clear, do you consider applying any force that leaves physical changes without consent bad because: A: Just cuz it is B: Someone is harmed ...

But the torturer is NOT the cause of torture is he. Assuming the victim has free will (which we have been doing) the victim has two options: A: Kill h...

Is torturing someone while giving them an easy way to kill themselves wrong or not? First of all.

Please stop saying "the post in question" we have like 80 I have no clue what you're talking about

I asked "So was what the kidnapper did wrong?" Obviously I was referring to both the kidnapping and the torturing.

So was the kidnapper/torturer. But apparently the torturer is innocent because hey, if you don't like it just press the button and kill yourself

No they're not. The rape victim can always just bite their tongue off and kill themselves. Then, with that alternative in mind, the fact that they are...

Yea forget that situation. I thought you would say that a torturer and kidnapper would be culpable for BOTH torture and kidnapping not just kidnapping...

Is a rapist culpable for doing harm onto someone?

No they're not they're sleeping. Also let me tweak the scenario then. Say he didn't kidnap you but set up the torture equipment around your bed? Total...

What's the "conventional" connotation of cause because I'm not sure there is such a thing.

Yea. I have been arguing for the same thing. Going to south africa IS a cause for breaking your leg IN SOUTH AFRICA. Not a cause for just "breaking yo...

Yea this is exactly the problem I have with you definitions of cause combined with free will. How would Hitler be culpable for anything? He didn't cau...

Doesn't it? "Precondition" and "Necessary condition" sound like synonyms to me. That's exactly how I defined cause: A necessary condition. Aka a preco...

Oh in that sense yes but there is a nuance here. Zoning an area as residential IS a cause for "Joe commited suicide at home" but not for "Joe committe...

No? Under what set of axioms do you think zoning an area as residential is wrong? Yes there is. If you use my definition of causality as necessary con...

Also completely unrelated to the debate (but kinda related): If you've watched the movie "Passengers" was Jim wrong in waking up Aurora and why? Heck,...

Legally culpable: A set of rules that allow society to function. Completely divorced form morally culpable although often related. Morally culpable: D...

But a little responsible for EVERY INSTANCE OF SUFFERING. That adds up to a lot. It's different if, say, a teacher (just using another fatherly figure...

I never said legally culpable. What is practical to make legal and illegal and what's moral and immoral are not the same. And I would actually hold ev...

I say that you ARE culpable if you "caused" something by my terms. So for example: If someone turns key A and then someone turns key B in the last exa...

look https://imgur.com/a/uF1MBQv THAT'S the "I did" I thought you were referring to.

Cause: A necessary condition

In my defense I thought you were talking about this: There are two "I did"s. I truly don't mean to cause any confusion

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