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I don’t know and I don’t care enough to find out.

Well those same gurus also speak of ego death when you’ve been still enough for long enough so maybe the concepts aren’t that far apart

zero or negative sum = bad. I’d say life is a negative sum game for most. You have to be really lucky for it not to be. And if you somehow knew it wou...

Why? It makes perfect sense to me. Is it good to create new people that are happy? No it isn’t. It is expected. Creating the problem of happiness/suff...

It’s 4am here and I haven’t slept so I’ll say this real quick. Although standard deviation and mean are very easy concepts you can look up in a minute...

And if they hadn’t? Why take the risk? Also everything you said doesn’t stop you from being a hypocrite still It doesn’t matter what you think of mean...

A more risky situation simply means much more pleasure/pain is at stake. Just because more pleasure is at stake doesn’t make it a benefit. Ex: going t...

Indeed it does. Because it has all the properties of a problem. If you don’t solve it you suffer. Simple as that. Heck you don’t have to take my word ...

Consistency. Name one other situation in which putting someone in a risky situation (high risk of pleasure and high risk of pain) from a less risky si...

You can't do it in a moral way. We would have to completely nuke every part of the earth and make it uninhabitable for all life forever. Also yes, ant...

It doesn't matter what the living view life to be. Not all antinatalists view life as "full of suffering" or terrible in every way. We just like to be...

I don't think you read any argument any of us have presented here because none of them work backwards. I would like you to demonstrate how this argume...

How does AI work? How does a computer program determine which calculations to do? Prebuild instructions in the case of no free will. No? Where do you ...

I think the differences between us and an alien civ can be so vast that making predictions like these would be completely meaningless no offence

I agree. The person I was asking to define this third category of causality called "free" didn't. I agree I think it's more than that. It wasn't on th...

Ok. I think you're defining free will differently from most on this thread. Because most people I've talked to so far do not contend with "random" as ...

I never heard "freedom" and "randomness" called synonyms before

Shouldn't you just call it "randomness" then? It seems to me you literally just defined randomness. (Also I don't know why you talk as if every time I...

Yes I'm asking in what cirumstances. So epistemically random counts?

When does freedom occur? (Did I ask this before, I feel like I have)

So why didn't he. Did he choose A because of it having more justification? But then he couldn't have picked B, because A would have still had more jus...

If it's a subset of physical functions and those physical functions are either deterministic or random then where is the free will? probably better on...

Is this a Daniel Dennett thing?

Really? If S believed A has more justification than B could S pick B? How in the world does justification not have anything to do with real options.

That.... Doesn't asnwer my question.

If you CAN show the causal chain then the mind isn't involved. Unless the "mind" is a literal muscle or neuron. No I'm not but I agree it would be a m...

So if the justification for A completely rules out B could the person have picked B?

Yes. You can't know it is impossible to causally peg the physical sound to physical reactions You seem to have completely missed the remainder of the ...

Yes it was I never said equal

Neurology. Sounds are physical, neurolgical reactions to them are physical Why are they incorrect. You can't say with absolute certainty that we won't...

Ok then. Assume you thought of justifications for two options A and B and then picked B. Why didn't you pick A? Would presenting justifications for B ...

And you assume that would be easy to do in the case of the trigger pulling and very difficult in the case of hate speech right? What I'm showing here ...

How can justification "not exist".

And if someone claims that murdering someone is causally peggable to hate speech why would they be wrong? In both cases the result isn't necessarily c...

You could have picked the other option yes? So if you had picked the other option and I asked you for "why didn't you pick the first" You'd have justi...

Ah sorry nevermind. I don't get why you have to be a prick about it. But no we don't know it causes them to die when it does because sometimes the tri...

Assume you're picking between two close options.

When what "does"?

Ok. You can reword that in there and it'll still make sense Because the other option also has justification that could have been used. That doesn't te...

We konw, confirmed by empirical observation, that any pulling of the trigger of a loaded gun that is pointing at someone doesn't cause anyone to die, ...

You took it from there and I assumed you had read our conversation beforehand You could go back and read it but I'll try to put it in as few words as ...

You replied to me talking to someone else. I introduced the idea that the decision to bias a decision is random there. You didn't say it I did.

You don't need to defend NOT believing in something.

But the decision to bias or not to bias is itself completely random. I never implied there is only 50/50 random and determined.

I hope so. That's what I kept referring to when I said true randomness. Randomness that is not an approximation due to our lack of knowledge

The best definition I could come up with is answering the question "what exists" using the most abstract categories possible

I don't know. That's what I'm asking people who argue for free will. I don't get the concept of "free" and I need them to explain it to me in a way th...

Here you said a free choice CAN be a random choice. Which I took to mean it can also be deterministic. So for you, a completely random choice is free ...

so: choice made = free choice?

so a free choice is: the random choice I made?