:up: As I said to echarimon: That seems to be what it comes down to as usual. I give it a month before we get another thread and do the same song and ...
That you need to send them to the shops to buy food because you're busy. If you're not busy you should do it yourself. Sending kids to random places f...
But it is not any more lethal. What if the kidnapper believes that a man's worth is measured by their ability to survive in the wild and therefore if ...
What if your intention was to teach them survival. No they are not you dependents nor is there any reason to do so, but your intention is not maliciou...
And your child suffering is an "unforseeable event"? Seems pretty forseeable to me. Sure you can't forsee exactly what form of suffering awaits but yo...
Maybe it's more like you enjoy just focusing on something without having to worry about future plans or past events. That's been the case in my experi...
Not matching my moral intuitions. So if it leads to shooting people being right for example. Each and every single one of those is talking about wheth...
Damn. Ok let me ask you this. Is pointing a gun at innocent people and pulling three trigger for recreation wrong? After all, the gun might jam, so: I...
But causing it in the first place is fine? Why? And why is it fine sometimes and not fine in others? Sure. And that’s where lawyers come in. Exactly. ...
How about having a child knowing they will have a severely debilitating disease. If we can’t even agree that’s wrong then you’re a non-starter for me....
Because it works everywhere else and I don't like making exceptions for something because it is "natural". I am not making an ad populaum argument. I ...
Agreed. I keep saying this. Moral premises are arbitrary. The only reason you see this as a "charge" is because you believe I'm trying to sell the bel...
The objective is not to reduce harm. The objective is to not cause unwarranted harm. The reason you do not cause harm is because causing harm makes th...
It could be. Even then it would be a moral theory though. False. We can agree there are cases where having children is wrong. Like severe poverty for ...
Agreed. Which is why antinatalists don’t see not having children as a good thing (most don’t). They see having children as a bad thing. The latter doe...
Agreed but that’s not what I’m saying. All I’m saying is that moral propositions remain moral propositions no matter how well or ill grounded they are...
I think you're conflating "morality" in general and the specific morality we have going on at the moment in particular. Point is you can't walk up to ...
I don't think so. He clearly and unambiguously said that the antinatalist claim is not a moral claim as far as I understand. I can't do that for ANY e...
Agreed. @"Isaac" so it's literally just you trying to say that antinatalism is not a moral theory. You're the one disagreeing with the public meaning ...
Sigh. We agree these public meanings have a range of error and that they can be used incorrectly. And I think that my definition of a moral premise pe...
Clearly not. But I've given you my defintion already. You then ask me "where I got it from". I don't know how to answer that question. Where did you g...
I didn't disagree with your explanation, it's just that 2 sentences don't cover depression. Agreed. I'm pointing out though that it is very clear we h...
Non sequitor but ok. Agreed. (Duh what else could it be?) I don't remember when Schope talked about his personal life here but I might have just misse...
Same way any other moral theory would work under a moral anti-realist position. By recognizing that it relies on ultimately unjustified premises. But ...
I said most antinatalists on this site are not moral objectivists. In general I suspect most are moral objectivists. Heck, I don't think I've run into...
The idea that "mankind" and other such concepts should be favored over a single human's actual concrete suffering. Things like "For the country" "For ...
Sure. I don't think so though. And I find that justification disgusting. Not in total, sure. If a kid runs into a wall like an idiot despite their par...
Agreed. And we can get into the nitty gritty. But I doubt whatever configuration you choose will end up having the statement "You are responsible for ...
Sure. Who suffers by not having kids? You could argue that the parents do, but that suffering is definitely less than the suffering the kids would hav...
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"They are the majority therefore they are right, you're just sad". Has to be the worst thing I've read in recent memory. I know it isn't directed at m...
We agreed the question makes no sense so I'm not sure what the poll is supposed to accomplish. Again, we agreed that you don't do the not-yet-to-be-bo...
But I'm sure we can agree there is a difference caused between the pain that you experience when you stub your toe and when I punch you in the face. T...
You'd need to define better. But regardless your question wins. "What is the perfect question", if it has an answer, will lead us to the perfect quest...
Nothing. Agreed. No one is doing this in this thread. We are instead predicting how likely it is that it would suck to be born. And the chance is grea...
I think at this point creativesoul and Banno are saying the exact same thing with different words. They don't really seem to disagree. When Banno said...
I though we were past the point of using desire and attachment interchangeably. The way you use “care” makes it sound like if you are not saddened by ...
But on the other hand you have evidence to show it isn’t possible? Even though we know it can be approached. What is that evidence? And you say it isn...
I think you can. So therefore if someone doesn't grieve does that mean they didn't love the person who just died? I don't think so. That's why I don't...
That it's stupid? No basis. But I'm sure we can agree that a moral commandment to undo 10mm nuts is stupid. To clarify before you conflate them again:...
Yea I think it's a source of a lot of confusion. People are using words that I define sharply differently interchangeably so I keep getting confused. ...
I was just about to say the same to you. But undoing 10mm nuts can be a moral commandment, though a very stupid one. And in that case it would be gett...
Sure. But the question isn’t whether or not it’s possible or whether or not it’s desirable (at least that’s not what I’m interested in). The question ...
No. It becomes so for most people. That is not to say it is inherently supposed to be so or that you cannot do it properly. Have you never wanted some...
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