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You conflate what is and what is not a moral claim vs what is and what is not likely to be adopted widely. I'll just quote parts of my last reply on t...

I would think this is obvious too.

Sigh. We went over this on the other thread too... It's so tiring. That there is no ulterior practical motive behind it. We don't. But we could.

Not really. The extent to which I wish not to die easily trumps the extent to which I wish it doesn't rain tomorrow. How so? Sounds practically like t...

Ok. My bad then. Sure would be ridiculous if anyone claimed that huh.

Which I took to mean overall for a single instance. As in it feels good despite the guilt. No one said "the only". Now back to the actual topic, do yo...

You seem to like citing unrelated articles in response to reasonable statements. First off, the article isn’t even saying what you’re claiming it is. ...

But there are countless situations where theft would overall feel good, but is still wrong. For example if you hate the victim’s guts. So what’s right...

I’ve never stolen anything. Hear it feels good though. But sure I’ll remove it. Do you ever plan on replying on the other thread btw? We seem to agree...

That’s what I’m comparing to Sure but if you’re going to suggest an objective morality then that’s more in line with the former not the latter. Saying...

Sure. Just saying it is not doing much new. But this results in how much you doubt each belief and at what point you decide that you have researched e...

This could be taken as a justificationalist’s dogma is my point. Which is why I don’t think your position is fundamentally different. You need to beli...

What makes a “good reason” for rejecting something? And why is it a good reason? Boom, another infinite regress/circular logic/dogma. I don’t think re...

I assumed you were taking the opposite position so I was questioning that. What is your position then? Realist? Anti-realist? Something else?

Ok. How do we come to figure out these fixed moral premises? Because as it stands it is very easily demonstrable that they are not self evident. Since...

That moral premises are not fixed. There is no universal moral premises. That moral realism is bullshit. Same thing.

Any application of logic requires premises. I’m saying we cannot fix moral premises. You’re saying we can. What I am saying is supported by observatio...

And when and how will this happen? What would you take as “irrevocable proof”?

Of course there are. Especially if they’re religious. Those can mitigate the badness of anything. But thankfully I don’t agree with any of them and I ...

Usually it’s not “too hard” it’s “outright impossible”. Because we can’t fix a starting point.

There is a reason I specifically say “Harm caused less than harm mitigated”. Could this murderer foresee, that he would suffer more than the homeless ...

Sure. And this doesn’t violate your principle. Because your principle isn’t “denying pleasure is bad”. That would lead to the PC scenario. Your princi...

I don't just deem it arbitrarily. You haven't actually engaged with the argument. When do we label people as "mentally ill"? It is precisely when they...

I never suggested predicting the outcome of an indefinite chain of events. But predicting as much as you can reasonably. When they're travelling in su...

In moderation. Would be the boring straightforward answer. Also the one I'm going to give.

Because doing so would be harming you. At least the way I define it. Simply as: Doing to someone something they wish isn’t done to them. That I misund...

Non sequitor. "With any certainty". Really? Be reasonable. With some certainty. That is literally the same thing as the above. You just changed "be su...

So if you want a PS5 I have a moral duty to buy you a new PS5 as a complete stranger? Nah, I don’t think any of us think that. If you think that tell ...

And that is? And does mine pass it? If not why not? And which of those does mine produce?

Which is? I honestly don’t remember and I can’t find it. So.... you DON’T have a principle that can be universalized now? I’m confused.

Any other situations where someone can cause another to suffer and it’s not a moral issue? That the reason should not be useable to make ridiculous th...

:up: It’s tiring seeing all these “You didn’t give me a reason to believe your premise” arguments. That’s true of every moral theory, why do you expec...

Oh. Interesting. So you’ll actually consider it as a harm. So then: what is the justification? So if I feel like shooting someone and I honestly belie...

I expect he'll claim that having children is in no way a harmful act but I'm drilling there too.

The example you gave was about relationships so I assumed we were talking about that. But I have to say I'm struggling to find an example of heartbrea...

If you can know that the child will live a perfectly happy life then having them is fine. It doesn't even have to be perfect, if you can know the chil...

Not when they're so general they're meaningless.

I think all of these axes are way too vague.

I’m more interested in what you hoped to accomplish by posting this rather than whether or not it’s true.

That’s not what I meant. I meant you accepted the risk of heartbreak when going into a relationship. You weren’t forced into said relationship so you’...

Already assumes your conclusion. You assume a "one" that can either reside in A or Z. Then you say that "one" is soul. You haven't proven anything, yo...

Then you're just wrong. He did not, in fact, blind his kid when his kid was born. So it must have been something else that triggered the gut reaction....

He didn't though. Don't you see? There is no kid! He didn't blind anybody! This is what I said a while ago by the way. I said that our empathy can ext...

So when I cringe when hearing about the guy who genetically engineered his child to be blind that’s not an automatic reaction? I had to carefully deli...

Sigh. I wasn’t arguing there was. Why is it a good reason? There is no moral good for the child. You’re not doing anything good by having the abortion...

In the case of heartbreak you are not forced to endure the pain, you accepted the risk by going into the relationship. In the case of children, they n...

And no one is actually concerned with the consequences for the child themselves? Sure.... By that logic we should be just as disgusted by someone who ...

Whoa whoa whoa. Where did the categorical imperative come from. Didn't take you for a Kantian. But see? You were able to specifiy a bit more than "Oh ...

Well maybe "When X happens it's ok but otherwise it's not". Any sort of condition at all. Instead of "just decide on a case by case basis". That's exa...

Then why do we find someone who genetically engineers their child to be blind repulsive? What's the drive there? Or are you saying we don't?