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Josephus is a good place to start I suppose. Popular writers of Historical Jesus secondary literature abound: Ehrman, Sanders, Vermes, Eisenman, Schwe...

Not the case. If you procreated someone into the mouth of a volcano to be burned alive.. that is objectively bad in just about every measure. If the c...

@"Albero" The presumption of parents of being messiahs of happiness spreading the good experience has to stop. NOT spreading happiness by creating new...

Well, you are talking to a Schopenhauer sympathizer here.. I believe my problem with Stoicism is similar to the Bahnsen's critiques.. However, one of ...

Thank you, I do know a bit about Mainlander's theory as a philosophical pessimist myself. I just have never read his works in full and have not done a...

Yep, I can see that. Schopenhauer offers a monified Will, compassion, and ascetic salvation. Mainlander provides salvation-through-negation. Bahnsen o...

This is right up my alley. I would argue Mainlander is Philosophical Pessimism (capital "P"s) par excellence.

Mainlander's take is an interesting one. I have not read his complete works. Does he actually believe the metaphysics of a dead god or was this more a...

No, rather it is fitting into a framework the author wanted.. Logos, virgin birth, heavenly version of Jesus that is pre-made and has an end goal in m...

Let me get you that quote again... It seems here that Greek wasn't encouraged amongst religious-minded Jews. It was to be avoided as for its associati...

Yeah but look at that quote again.. He said it was hard for him to write in Greek and that it wasn't usual or encouraged by his countrymen! So the que...

Yeah, I'm just saying compared to other Canaanites. That quote seems pretty definitive to me that it wasn't widely spoken. Also, the NT has a decent a...

Ah ok, then yes I think we are in agreement.

Yeah I can see what you mean. I'm just saying, that prophecy cannot NOT be fulfilled for them, and there is the result. It's THIS guy cannot NOT be th...

I'm not getting your objection.. all of this points to polytheistic origin.. Elohim is plural.. It COULD be that it is like the royal "we", but more l...

Yes, no doubt that Judaism started as a henotheistic religion (pantheon with El-Yaweh and variation on Canaanite/Midianite religions), that then had a...

Yep, interesting how these things take the same form. I don't think its intentional.. just how groups create an escape hatch for what "has" to be a su...

:up: exactly. I see interesting parallels.

I'm not trying to trash talk the Rebbe :wink:. However, I can't resist bringing up the parallels with the very small number of Messianists in that gro...

Agreed. Interestingly, it is known that the "Jerusalem Church", was headed by a series of Jesus' brothers, followers, and relatives (first James, then...

I think what I said previously encapsulates what you present here. I am not unaware of what you are saying. I think this passage summarizes the region...

Of course. Hence my conjecture based on what I see presented and the context of the time, place, culture, etc. True. While the Jesus Movement may have...

Thanks :D.

My take on this is that might be the only real thing in that NT :lol:. I would say that Jesus may have thought something was going to happen to save h...

Right. Ethics was its own prescriptions and science of human behavior, separated out from the gods. Philosophy developed perhaps as a result of having...

Yes agreed. The Bar Kochba rebellion may have represented an irrevocable split between the Jewish Christians and other Jews, especially ones supportin...

True, could have been holding off the inevitable. But if he was successful, what an interesting change in history. Tolerance might have had more of a ...

Fair enough. I find it an interesting puzzle. It would have been interesting if the emperor Julian were to have not died after three short years as em...

@"Ciceronianus"@"god must be atheist" I write this in another Jesus thread. Perhaps this might be helpful: My rough theory is thus... Jesus may have a...

My rough theory is thus... Jesus may have actually been a part of the pharisees, in a more liberal sect like Hillelites. He was also influenced by the...

@"Seppo"

No problem, thank you! :up:

Agreed. I think we must look at James, Jesus' brother to see how the original group acted and thought. The Ebionites are a group to look at, which is ...

Added more about the Persian influence.

I don't doubt the connections of Hellenism you describe. That is well-known. At least since Alexander the Great's takeover of the region, there were g...

No, but there's a reason for that... He was from the Diaspora and not Judea proper. It makes total sense regarding his syncretism- especially with mys...

@"Dermot Griffin" Great analysis. I was going to say something similar here but you said it first. Judea proper was most likely not a bastion of Helle...

A conclusion that makes sense is that it is better not to procreate more badness into the world then. A progress that devolves into pessimism, can tak...

So we are going to have to stop the conversation if you can't get passed the distinction. Violation of harm is happening to an actual person. Preventi...

The universe doesn't need a bestower of value. If it does, you haven't justified it in argument other than, "But good!!". So? Goods not had by anyone,...

Not if you are creating collateral damage "strings attached". Yes but that is just a plain assertion. I can demonstrably point to the fact that no one...

No one is asking or not asking for anything prior to birth. We agree on that. It is about whether YOU want to create conditions of harms for another, ...

This is not an answer or way around the problem I presented. What about it makes it unethical? What makes something unethical? How is unhad "good" une...

So this is the kind of thinking I am against. You: A state of affairs must exist whereby joys exist. Me: A state of affairs of whereby the violation o...

Ok, so pro well being above capitalist structure as the ends.

How about everyone owning and working for everyone? @"StreetlightX" or @"Bitter Crank" any response to NOS idea that it is the workers “exploiting” th...

But it isn’t “really” voluntary as the capital is accumulated by one person and then doled out to the suckers..Um I mean workers. So your point is tha...

Get off your pony.. Here you are again, doing a switcharoo.. It's from the POV of the person causing the burden prior to someone's actual birth. Corre...

I think many people would say it's all connected.. Economics IS people.. not its own entity.. Unless you believe so which would be a fun one to read.....

Ah yes, so when I slowed this down and you accepted the terms, you didn't accept them.. So let's go back to square one... There is no "themselves".. T...