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Not really. Yes, we die, but it's one or the other at the same time. You either comply or you die. You will die eventually, but at that point, you no ...

One might argue Buddhism and forms of intellectualized Hinduism are religious versions of philosophical pessimism. Pessimism is not about necessarily ...

Is a bigger population a good thing, necessarily? I hold the views of a philosophical pessimist.. life presents itself as a burden to be overcome dail...

I meant "everyone stopped procreating" not "no one"

Let me ask you this.. what would happen if everyone stopped procreating on some divine theological level?

This I believe is just not true unless death. Comply or die. Anything besides immobility would be acting on it so de facto X would be acting on it, an...

Interesting analogy. If you don't comply with the dictates of a given society.. indeed you do get "beat down" because you aren't playing nicely with t...

Nice.. My latest posts with @"Possibility" (still waiting for a response in last post), is that our dissatisfactions create for each other the de fact...

Yes I like that one and the The Partially Examined Life. Another good podcast. That one goes a little more in depth and tries to do a lot of deep dive...

I've never read his works in detail but can agree with the gist of some things.. For example this: I'd have to read more to be convinced we are in a p...

In a future orientation, yes it can be. I don't though. You seem to be overlooking the superstructures already in place. The situatedness of the curre...

@"baker"@"Possibility" How many times has this phrase been used to gloss over or justify human suffering? Repackage it so it is just inevitable. But i...

Humans can self-reflect.. We know we are bored. Animals seem to have a more "be in the present" that we can almost never have due to the nature of our...

And this is your communication problem. WHAT are you trying to say?? Say it plainly or explain neologistic terms meticulously before using them. Your ...

But that is the game.. comply or die. So you are just reiterating it.. Just because you have some options in the game, doesn't mean it was right to ma...

@"Possibility" What he said.

Well, there how about atheistic gnosticism? As Schopenhauer himself advocates, take away the mythological components. What I am talking about though i...

As I said earlier: I would simply add Schop's insight: If life itself were to satisfy us, we would want for nothing.. We wouldn't need to improve the ...

But this is foolish as it leads to more births, more people, more suffering. So even on the face of it, it is wrong. It depends on what "facing the ch...

Nietzsche was a dick. He was trying to be the anti-Schopenhauer. If Schopenhauer observed how the world was about striving after and we should thus re...

You're trying to do a gotcha instead of understanding... Dissatisfaction is akin to something that is lacking now.. even if it is lacking something "m...

And we must ask where this resentment is coming from... What do you mean by "eternalize collective suffering"? Resentful people would not like to make...

Another point.. When you mention "actual people", this includes the actual suffering those people will bare. It is interesting that children are in a ...

And schopenhauer1, to communally recognize, and empathize about the situation. Collective understanding of tragedy. Consolation of shared understandin...

Sleep. Unconscious states.. Temporary states of satiety (maybe). But some might disagree there.

Indeed, Mainlander seems pretty committed to promortalism, not just antinatalism. I understand where he's coming from. There is no escape from the con...

Yep, I am aware of this view. I am glad you explicitly stated it though to understand the mentality I am debating. Really good points, especially abou...

Because just about everything in the waking life is part of the dissatisfaction. It is why we are not just being and not having to do anything else ab...

No. Not even the right question. Suffering in his view us the motivator behind all action. We X because something is not enough now. Don’t see why you...

When you continually claim we have more efficacy than we actually do, and ignore the rules created by our situatedness in physical and social reality,...

This is all I need to know you are arguing in bad faith or that you don't know what you are talking about. Have you read any of my other threads? Thes...

Right that is indeed what speculative realists are all about..trying to disregard Kants limits of speculating on the real, non cognitive or pan cognit...

Just curious, what particularly did you read that is concerning? I haven’t read much else. Here is an interview I found on a short Google search: http...

Right…so if I somehow plot and plan a person to materialize so I can punch him in the face, the second that person materializes, and I punch him, is t...

Huh? You're making no sense with your jargon again.. Once you violate dignity of X time (birthing that new person), THAT is the violation.. That perso...

Yes, The physicists Lindie and Wheeler, essentially restate the problem in physics terms: It seems to feed right into my question of how information i...

You said: Very similar to this:

I don't know what it is. I don't necessarily think its an amorphous whatever, but I don't think it's like watching the opening sequence to Star Trek.....

I think Schopenhauer might have been the best interpreter of Kant.. he said:

Any better response? The universe is just hanging out as humans conceive it, but without human conception?

What he said.

This type of response was predicted in my OP.. I'm skeptical of local interactions of a non-sentient kind being any platform for perspective. How woul...

Can non-sentient things (non-animals) have perspective? If not, what is the "platform" of interactions? What is even an "event" in this non-sentient/p...

I don't know, a lot of people take for granted a universe without perspective (before humans, without humans, after humans).. So your somewhat striden...

Ok, sorry sorry.. I was poking fun at the optimisms of you and I like sushi.. He with his, "Guilt complex to do work", and your "collaborate awareness...

Dissatisfaction. Dissatisfaction.

You miss my meaning. I mean “getting comfortable”. You sit, stand, itch, open window, clean your environment, etc to get more comfortable.

Ok, next time you shiver and try to stay warm or get cooler, adjust your chair, try to regulate any comfort, let me know.

This stuff doesn't matter.. As self-conscious animals, our POV is not neurons regulating, but an agent who must grapple with the everyday of surviving...

So how is this not using people for a scheme again? This is again, LITERALLY defining an/the agenda, that is my whole theme in our discussion. You are...