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Procreation is not an event? Being born is not a state of affairs caused by an act previously? Interesting. Didn't know that. But this is the canard o...

He truly understood melancholy from the inside. That is to say.. He knew that suicide was only ever something as an idea and was never a proper respon...

E.M Cioran said it better:

I don't see the distinction as valuable. If you had to fight fires for the rest of your life and could not escape unless you killed yourself, you can ...

Glad we are on the same page there. That’s also applied to any necessary condition of life. And a conditions necessity doesn’t make it any different t...

So baby born into lava pit. No one “did” anything. Lava pit is a condition. And your problem with all your arguments is you don’t recognize de facto c...

I don’t want this condition..is not breaking any grammar rules. The condition being necessary makes it all the more pertinent to the argument. You do ...

The alternative is no you at all. It’s called states of affairs. I can talk about those as conditionals and counterfactuals. A child could be born (fo...

I didn’t say that. Rather the situation of comply (work/survive in X way) or die was forced upon you. That wasn’t the state. And if you retort that yo...

Some people like state sponsored healthcare. So?Do you see that there is no substantial difference. You arbitrarily start after the forced decision… A...

(a lot of negatives placed upon someone else). Why is that a moral obligation to start if nothing was there who needed it in the first place and there...

It’s never just or right to presume such significant conditions and harms for another. Only when ameliorating greater with lesser harms and you can’t ...

Benefit with non-benefit (negative) on someone else’s behalf..you know the position.

Yep no “one” would have to worry about that.

The universe doesn’t benefit or not benefit anything. Lucky for you the dicey ethical practice for assuming for others doesn’t apply to that category ...

You present a false dichotomy. We are already put-upon by being born itself. You have to survive. You didn't choose this. You can comply with the dict...

I would never presume to speak for the universe :roll:. We went for presuming for other humans to presuming for all of space/time/matter and everythin...

Cioran is highly edifying in his inertia. Even suicide is caring too much.

You’ve already defeated your own argument that we are “at home” like other animals and extolled the existential /absurdist dilemma (of the specificall...

I believe Chomsky went from a much more complex grammar rule-based brain to simply "Merge".

And the obvious retort is something like, "It's not bad to force people if X amount of people wouldn't have minded it". There's a whole slew of things...

I think there is an odd notion going on here. I'd like to know your thoughts. The notion is something like this: "I feel sad, lonely, uncomfortable (X...

Exactly!

This is projection of fear of nothingness. You as an Individual will not be in the world one day. Not just a projection of it from the alive vantage p...

Hey when I force recruit you to my company you can save all the whales you want! Hopefully you can be grateful to me for allowing you to do your help ...

You keep thinking I’m claiming this straw man. Either you are arguing out of bad faith now or you just can’t stop repeating it for some reason. And be...

Huh? I know you are trying to make your repeatedly refuted argument, but this variation of it is hard to comprehend. It is not obligatory, nor moral t...

What is the damage to said "person" by not reproducing them? Do you get to produce "good" (with limitations of choices and harms) because you feel unc...

No, it just isn't. Positives are not separated from the negatives and thus you are giving both. When giving both, one must face the fact one is creati...

It’s not aggressive to give nothing to no one.

THAT goods exist aren't justifications for the aggressive paternalistic assumptions in question. Just because there is a state of affairs that's bette...

That's just spin. I can limit you, create conditions of harms for you, and gamble with unknown harms on your behalf and then say, "I am giving you opp...

So similar to DA671, this is not about straight up harms/benefits but a move I characterized as "aggressively paternalistic". So for example, if I for...

Don't be a dick. The OP of this thread set out an argument about something being wrong due to making an aggressive(ly paternalistic) move on someone e...

Right, the straw man you keep presenting that I am not positing. Wrong conclusion from a straw man argument. Weasily words to get out of the fact one ...

You made my point.

While I agree that there can be a potential person who will suffer, and will experience happiness.. Not causing the happiness isn't morally wrong, or ...

Whence does an individual come into play (when they are born). This is also when bad comes into play. Don't do that thing that causes bad. It doesn't ...

You are ignoring my question and making your own red herring/straw man so you can try to knock it down. Stop it.

There is no "right" to the unborn for either harm or happy. There are considerations for what can befall someone in the future who will have rights th...

Just asserting "double standards" doesn't make the argument a double standard. You are placing one and haven't seen how your point doesn't actually ma...

I think you are mixing up semantic metaphysical points as well. Possible people don't have "rights". However, possible people have considerations as t...

You're playing a semantic game with what I underlined, throwing out red herrings...by trying to make an odd metaphysical point.. but I'm not letting y...

There is no right for the unborn to be happy. But there seems to be a prohibition to creating harms/choices for others "just because you want to".

With collateral of the other (harm and imposed choices). No one claimed it did. Straw man that you even bring it up (constantly and annoyingly). This ...

No one is obliged to give a gift, especially for an empty set. Already addressed. Lava pit. It only matters if the person will be born to be harmed. T...

You keep overlooking the negatives that come with it! And you can’t use a gift excuse unless the gift was also an inescapable set of burdens that othe...

As populum fallacy.. a million nazis is a million nazis. Less extreme- a million misguided people are a million misguided people. Multiple as much as ...

No ONE that this decision is affecting is in fact affected. Period. And if you’re going to talk about already existing people sad they didn’t create a...