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Fair enough. Makes sense. Read what you want to and supplement when needed unless you want to make a point to read chronologically.

Though this is throwing some shade on me... I do agree that philosophical traditions can have a sort of infinite regress of influence down to the earl...

Sorry, I am confused.. Are you saying I am stating the problem or am the problem? And what problem would that be?

Yes, an unnecessary connection. However, if you think of it this way...The artist "knows" the object in its "purest form". This purer vision of the ob...

Schopenhauer disagreed with Kant on a number of points, especially about being able to decipher the "thing-in-itself" so it probably wouldn't be a con...

I'd stop at Schop and respectfully advise to ditch the Nietzsche :smile:. Mainlander was a more interesting post-Schopenhauerian. Things to take away ...

Yes, it is overlooking their dignity, using them as a means..treating them like an inanimate chess piece to move around and foist significant existent...

None of those statements are necessarily true.

I mean the monks, the purposefully homeless, the hipsters who go without the comforts, etc. When you mistake pursuing discomfort for being more rugged...

So you should focus on ways that society has manufactured your meaning.. Your employer has manufactured what you do for 40+ hours a week. Your home ha...

Yet, Cioran, written in aphorisms and French and Romanian mostly clear and clever. Both considered existential in some way. Why is Cioran more interes...

To be fair, Nietzsche’s self-obscurantist style doesn’t help him much.

Ubermensches and eternal returns oh my.

I meant more, big brains, language, social relations, and tool-use are vast areas of study as exactly how that happened, and ideas about the mind/body...

Explain please.

Huh?

It’s not bound by a human or animal condition. How does ethics apply? You tell me. Besides that it merely exists.

If you say to me..it’s wrong to impose on a robot..I don’t know what applies to said being if it doesn’t feel pain or burdens at all. I’ve maintained ...

Kinda thorny issue. Doesn’t really cross my mind because it’s a practical impossibility. Supposing it does occur, would we be even human at that point...

One informs the other. Dukkha is a form of necessary suffering not contingent on conditions of contingency.

Well, you quoted Schopenhauer and now you’re saying you were referring to the points I made in the Trouble with Impositions thread. This is why I want...

There is so much metaphysics and epistemology wrapped up in that sentence segment.

There isn't even a "they who never suffered". Only being in the condition of born does the condition of harm apply :wink:. And we can intelligibly tal...

Ok, now that I read it again all the way through.. Yeah it's more about the posture of using science as if it can solve all problems and its use in pu...

I can't and won't argue against generalized swiping and griping at me. Drive by griping... What particularly is the problem? The mechanistic view (not...

Um, that was my point. Don't focus on apples only. There are also oranges. Apples don't exclude the oranges. Apples can inform the oranges and vice ve...

I just mentioned something about mechanistic view in the Life Sucks thread. I think a great example of this view is the idea of evolution (Richard Daw...

So you’re talking of Will. Even if it isn't a true metaphysics, the idea of desiring/craving that is never satisfied, remains true. For all intents an...

I don't know your particular take.. give me a summary and I can talk to that.

Slave.. ok.. go on.. how?

The "you" in the last post is the universal "you", not you specifically. It's a hypothetical "you".

Yet, somehow procreation gets a pass. And THIS might be the central point that we should be arguing. Is life REALLY that variegated enough to count as...

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The problem is existing at all. Why do we bring people into existence? Any way you answer that is a political answer. Apparently YOU know why existenc...

Distinction that makes no difference and why it’s sophistry. A person shooting the gun is the factor that kills the person. But you know that. Why you...

I mean, you aren't wrong.

Goes hand in hand with life sucks. But the broader point is you were speaking of joy and happy moments and I was giving you the danger of OVERemphasiz...

Does the i universe need sentient existence? What is a non sentential existence?

Someone had the best day ever.. they have a partner to procreate with.. they decide to have a baby...So that one day of joy has an optimism bias that ...

No man, you can't go back because it goes against your tedious point. You admitted your position here: Right, the parent is imposing their will and th...

:chin: Ok..... Yep. So it looks like you are agreeing that the parent's will to the birth of a baby (over a lava pit.. but could be any X condition) w...

Nothing was done to the baby born into a lava pit in your sophistically twisted conception.

I guess lava baby was properly cared for because you don’t believe anything is done to it. Yep. THAT’S not lunacy.

Rocks don’t feel pain and don’t need joy. It is us who lost the existential race with our consciousness..feeling things. Yet in our ignorance we perpe...

Represented to whom? Something has to matter to something. That is where all this debate happens I guess.. And language games about it.. Is an effect ...

That's a pretty low threshold. As Simon and Garfunkle explain.. Rocks feel no pain. If I was to cause someone else to exist because I felt joy in my m...

He is saying that computation is only ever interpreted. The computer doesn't have belief that 2 + 2 = 4. It hasn't proven it. It doesn't understand it...

Hey man, congrats..you used all the keywords of the literati here :lol:..”language” “public”..just throw in some Philosophical Investigations quotes, ...

Your gloomy prose is poetry to my ears :lol:. But really, why I brought this up was that this thread started to discuss potentiality and actuality. An...