So this flows into the prior conversation I was having with @"Srap Tasmaner" on evolutionary psychology. There is nothing inherent in the desire for (...
Right, if there wasn’t a prospect of children I meant… Some people are obsessed with a lot of different things. The dream to do X is conceptual and th...
Presumably that is for the immediate upbringing of the child who is already born. You don't "not swear" for example, because of a not-yet-born child. ...
So this is akin to post-modernism's notion of "all is text". What is the grand narrative? The other tendency is some sort of unitary philosophy or gra...
Agreed. I was riffing off some of the implications of the themes, I was not claiming the author or director was explicitly making it about this alone....
You don't have to do that for @"Vera Mont" to be right. He might have used the extreme cases, but just being born presents the (almost) necessary feat...
Right, we are going to disagree as to where the selfishness lies here. The next generation is used to support the current one because it must. However...
You propose interesting scenarios there but I guess this gets to the heart of the matter. Why would future people being born or not born dictate what ...
:up: Damn. You just summed up modern philosophy pretty darn well! The human mind is so hyper-ready and prepared to find meaning in any way possible, t...
I saw it a long time ago but was reminded of it again recently. Yes it was good as far as dystopian sci-fi's go. I have no problem with the movie as f...
I had something similar but different take- more post-modernism versus information theory: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/14334/adventures-...
I guess Jesus is whatever you want him to be or not be. The myths surrounding him arise from various Greco-Roman thought. Some texts of the Gospels ve...
I am not saying they would or wouldn't, but simply that his writings had Gnostic influence. Gnostics themselves were a collection of ideas that varied...
I think Paul was a sort of pseudo-Gnostic. That is to say, he tried to have it both ways. Like Gnostics he had "hidden knowledge" and was a "revealer"...
In a history of philosophy way, if we want to be holistic about it, it is important to see how the ideas of a time period shaped the ideas of Western ...
The thing is, much of Western philosophy is based on esoteric or religious foundations. Even ancient Greek philosophy, often has esoteric metaphysics ...
To be fair, I don't really care either way too. I'm just providing an alternative to the EP assumptions. To me, it just seems too simplistic. It's the...
No I get it. You are trying to say that it is an odd "proof" to say that God wants us to use our free will to know him so that we can fulfill his plan...
But you are steeped in these tropes from the beginning! Functionally speaking, it all results the same. Who is to say what you might be attracted to "...
You know @"apokrisis" pet project is all about ontology being a triadic semiotic relationship also called pansemiotics. So a logical structure of info...
Some posters don’t like my use of my reference to Socrates here so I’ll just say it’s inspired by his idea of “is it good because the gods will it or ...
Cars aren't in our genes either, but people often desire them, and for various reasons. People desire all sorts of weird and wacky things. Just keep l...
No one disputes that the physical pleasure aspect is biological. I guess let's step back. What are we going to define as biological versus cultural? A...
My first part of the response stands, that it is almost impossible to tell without an experiment such as one where an isolated group of humans grows u...
Let’s be concrete here. “What” is this behavior. You cannot isolate sex from its cultural surroundings. I know you are sort of saying that but you are...
You didn't present that case. You tried to say that because genetics explains other animals, it must explain why humans mate the way we do. You claime...
I’m being serious. Where did they get the idea of mating? It’s not an innate concept. Perhaps every generation reinvents the wheel and just “figures i...
Hey great example of the EP that I am talking about. 4.2 Implications at the end says it all. It's very much a just so story based on the data. They h...
Yeah that applies to you too. Cowardly when you don't let the other person just speak for themselves. I remember that you do that a lot. Oddly write i...
One of my biggest pet peeves on this forum is giving a thoughtful response and then the other person not really responding to it in a thoughtful way. ...
So I will say it is actually extremely hard to test for because of what I said here: In other words, the culture perpetuates the narrative of attracti...
The problem is there’s very little experimental evidence you can gather unless you forced people into isolated societies that did not have any cultura...
No what I have to prove is our mechanism isn’t via natural selection but cultural propagation, not the exact story for this change. It’s enough to kno...
But what about boredom? Boredom can lead to any number of outcomes. Tribal people can sing and dance and play when they are bored, talk to friends, or...
That reproduction takes place without natural selection. So in a way it isn't even "good enough". Rather, it is another way for something to happen wh...
This I agree with. This is too vague, so harder to comment on. Fair enough, that's not in dispute. Rather, the origin of this pursuance of pleasure (t...
And I gave detailed answers to all your paragraphs and then provided a summarized one so yeah you can't say I just handwaved you off or anything, alth...
I beg to differ as reproduction is not a "physiological need". Pleasure is good, and we generally seek it out in culturally appropriate ways but where...
But aren't you sort of reiterating what I am saying by emphasizing the "social animal"? If I get bored and play a video game or pick up a book almost ...
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