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Again, hypothetical imperative. Why this "romantic fashion" stuff? I was just discussing the willingness to follow your hypothetical imperative. Nothi...

I still think I made a fine point regarding your ethical stances.. Your claims are simply hypothetical imperatives that you have somehow found more pr...

You would make a good science fiction writer... The problem is that you yourself, apokrisis, WANT a goal to happen- that of humans working together to...

I've said before, often it is not the actual suicide but these fantasies about a calmness and escape that go along with the suicide ideation. There ar...

But I don't have to claim something- we live out instrumentality even if the absurd feeling of it does not dawn at all moments for everyone. Shooting ...

So where is this justified that we should/can "shoot" at flourishing? What is true is that we must survive/upkeep and entertain ourselves at all times...

Yep, otherwise we are just talking past each other.

I tried to avoid that term due to the fact that it has a different meaning otherwise- the pragmatist one you decided to divert the debate towards. I a...

Again, you miss the point of instrumentality to make rhetorical ones. Not cool man. I'd first like to see you define instrumentality in your own words...

So you really think I am using entertainment in the very narrow sense of the entertainment industry rather than as shorthand for how we are pursuing a...

So, we don't go from upkeep/survival to entertainment in a social setting? If you don't like the analogy, then we can use one more to your liking. Wha...

You are completely off-base with your interpretation. That was meant to convey that LIKE being a on a desert island where we are solely focused on upk...

I predicted you would say that.. Actually, I was going to say after that statement "Cue Apokrisis generic quote about socially constructed reality and...

I agree. Hence I usually label it a "pipe-dream". As far as using "non-existence" as a placeholder for better outcome, I agree that these two have bec...

Indeed. Hence my neologism of neo-emphasis on the impersonal force. Perhaps the shaman taps into the force in a proto-version of what the Yogi is tryi...

Was this from my response to your other post earlier regarding goals? I remember explaining a while back the difference between a totally ideal world ...

It does not have to be evolutionary necessarily, but there seems to have been a trend from localized gods to the more universality of gods (usually in...

I wrote this a while back in a "What is Love" thread: But see, this just shows you the very theoretical nature of evolutionary psychology. A lot of it...

Religions take themselves too seriously to realize the historical development over time based on people's social and psychological needs. Both fed int...

Derrida: Signs always point to other signs but have no meaning in themselves.. Everything is mere indication and not completed expression. Meaning can...

Neologisms abound in philosophy. Maybe a philosopher's greatness should be measured by the amount of neologisms that are repeated and made into philos...

Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills.” ? Arthur Schopenhauer, Essays and Aphorisms

Again, that is speculation. We don't know much about slaves, and women because they had little if anything to write and all we know is characterizatio...

Though you gave a somewhat interesting history with regards to Enlightenment and Romanticism, you overlook earlier periods of probable ennui. The anci...

But your point of how we still persevere and survive despite our self-consciosness which is able to ask "what is the point?" also goes back to instrum...

I think you are looking passed the phenomenon of instrumentality. It is not about the evaluation of parts of your umwelt. That last sentence felt funn...

You did a great job explaining instrumentality itself, though you focused more on the causes of instrumentality and less on the feelings associated wi...

Well, that kind of the point. Since we have big brains, we have the ability to have what you call this "unnatural" feeling of what seems to be natural...

Yes @"Hoo", I have read Nausea and I do appreciate Sartre insight there. His idea right here very much gets at the point of not confusing the explanat...

It's also not my problem that you interpreted what I said to mean that you shouldn't do anything and have everyone effectively do everything for you: ...

Your question is a bit different than what I was discussing but in the ballpark. I was saying what would it be like if existence had no individuation ...

You may want to look at this thread I started a little while ago. http://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/461/what-is-a-unitary-existence-like/p1

So what this tells me is you really didn't read what I wrote about instrumentality as this has little or nothing to do with what I was writing about. ...

Ok, but this is a truism and doesn't diminish instrumentality. I am not saying we should not do what we can to cope, especially using coping mechanism...

The idea of instrumentality- the absurd feeling that can be experienced from apprehension of the constant need to put forth energy to pursue goals and...

Remind me never to go in battle with you.. I guess this is a segue for dueling antinatalism? Interesting place to put it after I was defending a more ...

Where in that quote did I mention these views? What views on deprivation do you refer?

I think apokrisis is saying that all problems can be magically made to go away with social action. He does not like the idea that pessimist phenomena ...

Once you've understood the concept of instrumentality- everything can seem as if it is only in relation to it. All other concepts are suffused with th...

Hero-myth, mixed with righteous indignation 8-) . Everyone's cool when they seem to where the proverbial sunglasses in their quotes 8-) .

Schopenhauer said the world is ultimately Will (unitary force) but it had the flip side (illusion I guess) of representation which is the world indivi...

Again, I bring up the idea of instrumentality. We exist in repeated acts of self-maintenance This may involve helping others. But, the repeated acts o...

Do you want me to cry or something for not mentioning Eastern mystics? It is mostly on my experience this is true. I am someone who exists and can dis...

None of this addresses the issue of instrumentality. After the high of meditation, the happiness of reading a book on Zen, one must exist to exist to ...

Yeah that is essentially Schopenhauer's take on it too. So this seems to be more metaphorical.

Well, asking what existence is like if there was no individuation is pretty hard to understand, so it is not something one can simply picture.

This is my point. How can anything exist with any specificity (what I called individuation)? Action and temporal relation would be non-existent. Howev...

I think his use of Platonic Ideas is problematic in the way he was using it which seemed to be to differentiate individual characters, species, and ob...

Then they may evolve self-awareness and come to the same conclusion. Same response. It is not a solution to suffering wholesale. It is simply an elega...

If one were to be charitable to Schop's idea, perhaps we might say that Schop meant that there was a unitary principle behind all phenomena and that i...