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Granted, but nowadays with abortion and all and contraception..I guess my point originally was that absurdity may be true in terms of no truths or rig...

Go ahead and school me if you think I mischaracterize you apokrisis. "Private revelation", personal experience or anything else is still had by the in...

People have individual, personal experiences that cannot be shared. How can that be communicated? No other thing can have these experiences.. It may c...

Indeed. I agree that the way to put a lid on any consternation is to simply say it is the victim's fault. It's a great trick really.

I did not mention what kind of conviction... They can have a conviction in the pleasure of sexual relations.

And your evidence is what? You know this because you were exposed to a culture that spread these ideas.. which were a set of evolving ideas that solid...

So God (whichever one we mean here) is a solace for his own creation which lead to suffering? If God is omniscient, and he knew humans had the possibi...

Yet procreation meant some people had a firm belief in something if you are here to contemplate it..so anyone who is born, their forebearers had convi...

So makes a difference here, meaning counterfactual? To broaden your idea, I think this notion that if there are no counterfactuals, it has no value or...

You have provided many unique harms. Good job.

Interesting.. can you explain further? The self-validating pessimist.. Isn't it a bit strong to say though that being wrong on a theory proves the pes...

Points for vivid imagery.. Points for originality.

>:O Somehow you managed to capture the these harms so well that anyone whose experienced them can truly empathize.

I guess you can suffer from knowing about other people's pain but surely painful experiences can be had by everyone. True, some people have more of th...

Awkward occasions Paranoia Losing face Villages being wiped out (if you happen to live in the wrong area) Torture Inter tribal warfare (if you happen ...

That's it! Yes, keep going... Anyone else can join in and continue... My original post asks for more general things, but I think the rules can change ...

So besides being snarky, what are you getting at? Either list some real harms or move on.

We are surrounded by harm.

No, that would be a conclusion from all this harm. But I did mention inconsiderate people. Also mentioned was any hostile, bitter, stressful, spiteful...

So, yeah you have a choice to try to emulate the detached stoic.. or you can realize that human psychology pretty much sets things at the usual bar of...

I guess an existentialist might ask "Are you genuinely and authentically" following your system or are you doing it because that is what the wise phil...

@"Bitter Crank" I think I lost my own point amongst all this pragmatic "solutions" to the problem.. My point was that if pair-bonding (or some sort of...

I get that there are numerous modern avenues to try to make friends and meet partners. This is certainly not guaranteed. Again, I maintain my original...

This started off more about intimate pair-bond type relationships (or more for the polyamorous type?). But it isn't too plausible to stretch this out ...

Well this is Schop's ideas.. I'm just presenting them. I don't necessarily agree with his metaphysics, though I sympathize and have my own understandi...

But that's a false equivalence. Food is pretty easy to find these days.. one's that are easier to satisfy tastes than presumably something as substant...

The point though is, despite the fact that this particular phenomena is picked out as one of the top reasons for meaning, it is so fraught with its ow...

It's just I have a theme here lately.. the big REASONS of modern society are unsatisfying for meaning... Science, technology, the group, relationships...

Can you clarify your question? I'd like to answer, but not sure exactly what you mean by reconciling with our existence and adjusting ourselves with o...

Yes, in the World as Will and Representation.. These two articles are good introductions: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/schopenhauer/ http://www.i...

Again, it's this kind of rhetoric that makes me not want to respond, because you personalize it.

There's also people's biochemistry, and the underlying needs and wants that all people have that are never satisfied.. This is a bit pollyanna.. Many ...

So things are unevenly distributed.. some people will be successful in relationships (regardless of hard work or not), some will not.. Some will be ex...

Yes, so with all the flaws and harms of relationships, is it a good reason to expose new people to life? I say this because, it is often used as a way...

I'm not sure you went into this argument with good faith. You said: Already you framed the debate in very personal and provocative terms.. which reall...

You are leading me down the troll-den.. Yep.. struggle.. hard work, difficult task.. And I said it is harder work for some than others.

Yeah, he did not like the term.. replace it with Thing-in-Itself then. In terms of the world as it is intself and how it appears to us, it is similar.

It depends.. I qualified it with this: of course my point was for some people it is less a struggle than for others.. easier.. unequally distributed, ...

Maybe you downplay any harm as just attitude and hard work.. Which is to dismiss the negative aspects in the name of whistling dixie.

This is from how you were describing it.. I was just mirroring that. As you stated: That seems more a struggle.. of course my point was for some peopl...

And so why is the struggle to achieve career, friendships, romantic relationships.. worth the struggle? Why does simply trying to say "work harder" be...

Schopenhauer wrote a whole four volume treatise on answering this question. He thought the noumenon can be known through understanding our own psychol...

True true.. understood. This critique also goes to Wayfarer..but I am not just talking about the way technologies can create the inane consumerist "us...

I didn't go back that far because I wanted to specifically identify technology that pervasively goes along with "modern" life. All the other things yo...

But really, you are just saying that the math will be learned through older types of technology and not the absence of technology all together- digita...

I agree it's mainly profits that drive the investment in new technologies. The people that say these things are just hypothetical people that may use ...

I guess my question to you is does science and technology provide a meaning in itself to humans that justifies the Human Project even if we have negat...

But surely you know that we are integrated with technology so heavily, there is no way for our species to escape it as something we are working for. T...

Interesting Wayfarer.. You kind of went in a different direction but also important direction. Are electronic devices ruining our culture.. So, as eng...

Agreed..Funny I answered a post you had in a similar thread in as far as the work part goes (see further down this thread with Cavacava). Anyways, wha...