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The argument about economic obligations still stands for 99% of people. Suffering exists for 100%.

While it's true for 1% of people they, do not have to worry about economic obligations in the same way others do, there are other harms- some of them ...

There are many harms that befall humans. No procreation means no exposure to harm.

So rich people have no economic obligations? They have their own obligations not to mention being on top of the very economic system where the economi...

But based on my premise, it is valid.

Yes, I agree with this, but I do not believe I was NOT saying this. AFTER the child is born it is forced into obligations. Obligations are harmful and...

When the child is born it is forced. I am unconvinced that "Forced" cannot be used in this case.. Once a person is born, the "Forcing" begins, as the ...

When the child is born it is forced. I am unconvinced that "Forced" cannot be used in this case.. Once a person is born, the "Forcing" begins, as the ...

In a way yes. Procreation brings on the harms, again and again and again.

I would say invalid or unsound are more appropriate to what you are trying to convey. Because I believe forcing someone to be in a (practically) inesc...

Do you need me to clarify? Otherwise you just mean to say "invalid" or "wrong". Incoherent means it's not clear.. Which would mean it's best to clarif...

The OP was about forcing people into obligations by procreating them into existence. A state of affairs will occur where more people will exist and ex...

If there are 4 shitty people and 2 good people.. the 4 shitty people will put someone shitty like themselves in charge.. (Insert quote about how shitt...

Blaming the victim.. you are so compassionate you will FORCE others into "X" harm and then say "Buck up kiddo.. life isn't going to hand you anything"...

Did you mean to reply to @"Bitter Crank"?

And what if the your teammates are no better than a belligerent manager? Is tyranny of the masses that much better than the tyranny of the few? How wi...

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So we have no ability to make choices (not having more children who must be forced into social obligations and control and be controlled)? I am choosi...

But as with the other thread about economics, what is the best model? Is this only for large businesses with CEOs that answer to shareholders, small b...

You know what I always thought was funny, is how certain people arbitrarily get to be managers. Should it be based on performance? Experience? Drive? ...

Most of my threads cover similar theme to what you bring up. Here is the latest: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/1495/what-are-we-trying-to-...

I suppose the problem you discount is humans are always at a disequilibrium. We have the ability to self-reflect- to bring things to a a meta-level. E...

So we are all giving each other burdens of work as life moves forward in one repetitious wheel where we are the proverbial, nameless cogs? Yay life. I...

So what's your vision of an ideal world? Tribal society and the lifestyle this entails?

I've had that impulse at times.. If life is absurd, why not try to be absurdly good? Bring as much joy as possible to others, help them out as much as...

I'm a big fan of Clarence Darrow.. He does a good job countering those who want to say that nature is good simply because it's nature. Certainly a gre...

It's funny, I wonder if anyone else experiences that phenomena of having that feeling of anticipation around 11am on Saturday where they are most full...

Wow, you completely missed the point of my last post and thus I have nothing more to say unless you want to address what I have brought up and not dis...

Hey we agree on something. A part of this is the procedural inauthentic decisions I discussed in the OP. There is a certain repetitiveness to things. ...

Well people who are "defensive" about the good of putting more people in the world usually fall into one of two camps. Camp 1) Life does not contain t...

Sounds like you know what we are trying to accomplish, really.. You think more people should be brought into this world to experience the mix of pain ...

If Trump is considered conservative, looks like he a counterexample of the patriotic conservative- unless patriotic to Russiaor his own finances.

Does getting caught up in a certain field last forever? Will this not too get bogged down in procedure? Perhaps we can all just be theoretical mathema...

So what are we trying to accomplish and is it worth creating more people to accomplish it?

So, much of the antinatalism besides being against creating more harm (even in the self-evaluation of "net good" of life), is that it is way to evalua...

Just questioning why we want more procedures for more people. As for being authentic.. perhaps as I am not doing it out of some angsty feeling that th...

Yes, you bring up a good point about habits. We must circumscribe our daily lives with certain ways of thinking or habits. The options become narrowed...

I appreciate the encouragement and positive message. How about passing on the whole project to a new person? Why do they "need" to go through the proc...

Why? Why? Sounds like you're watching too much TV optimism. If there was a movie to reference though, it's 2001.. Relay into the abyss of the alien mo...

To be fair, the poem started out as a little clever ditty. However, to answer your point, Pessimism is not about material progress; it's about the bur...

Many people confuse the issue you see About the difference in what it is to be Life worth continuing not worth parting Different than life not worth s...

Are humans just fodder for some future utopia though?

I would think it's the opposite. Preventing birth is a rebellion against the life of the absurd. It's a middle finger to "more existence".

So you think it's too aggressive? Have you seen the debates on this forum? Also, most people have strong positions that require others to justify. I'm...

What is productive in your mind? Again, you already came up with some conclusions yourself. Others have to work to justify why life is worth it. Even ...

I leave it to you and others to figure it out from there. You already came up with some interesting conclusions: more compassionate and patient, appre...

To question the very foundation of why we cause others to exist questions our own very existence. I think this adds value in the idea that it is a pal...

Asstute observations on our asspirations Lust, moot perturbations on constant frustrations No dispute, desire the root of thwarted machinations

Yeah, I was wondering if I should use "prevent" rather than "deny" in that second line.

Perhaps I should put "prevent" instead of "deny" in the first line as I am referring to "life" not that "life is a pain in the ass".. People do not pa...