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A theory of value.Value theory. Axiology. The branch of philosophy dealing with aesthetics/ethics/value.

Not sure what you mean though by at least it was real. Yes, he saw the parallels even in his time. His form of asceticism was definitely a strict one....

But the striving part of Schopenhauer's will.. thinking of it in terms that, psychologically, the striving described by Schop can be "rooted" in the g...

Not this particular topic, but a common theme of my posts is the structural suffering, and antinatalism (not procreating more people that will suffer)...

Yeah, it is confusing because Schop used the word "Will" for his underlying metaphysical principle and you would think that implied intent, but it doe...

This is the most important part though :grin:. Let me ask you this then, what counts to you as a "legitimate" (streetlightx approved) way to prove a v...

Not quite. I would never say Schopenhauer would equate his idea of Will with something from the phenomenal world like some physical law/principle. But...

Sure it does. Negentropy is a temporary state of order (like life), where organization is increasing, but these clumps of orderliness are following pr...

Value judgements are part of the work/stress of beings working on the principles of entropy. Actually no, I don’t think entropy too general a principl...

Not really. We cannot help but live out the very parameters that organize the universe. That’s a pretty big implication. But as beings affected by the...

This is rhetorical equivocating to make what I'm saying seem incomprehensible. By root or essence I mean, a principle which we are all "proscribed" by...

So wait, you don't seek out goals as a normally enculturated human (not asleep/coma/unconscious)? You don't do work or make sure work is done to survi...

How so? Essence here meaning "the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, especially something abstract, that determines its character...

Fair enough. But the point is not to deflate all POV to localized negentropy. The point is that BEING localized negentropy, we can be characterized, a...

Yes, I agreed with Banno for reasons you bring up here, and changed the thread's title accordingly. Though, I did mention the caveat that if it is a n...

Fair enough. I saw the connections there and wanted to share it. Entropy does not have to be the underlying principle for this to be what is the case....

Okay, a secondary feature of what underlying principle? Okay, I will agree that perhaps changing purpose to something else, conveys the topic better. ...

Okay, and I guess the goal of the OP was to explain more that we are manifestations of entropy, so if I changed the topic to: Entropy- Universe's Over...

I was trying, for the sake of this thread at least, to accommodate the purely realist position that would discount a noumenal reality (like Schop's Wi...

Yes, the striving.

The world wouldn't be a place without entropy, so that's slightly mischaracterized. Boredom is simply striving without a fixed goal- an understanding ...

Yeah, we won't see the results of our negentropic > entropic writ large activities. Rather, we are simply living out a manifestation of it. As with Sc...

It's not about what goals are attainable. It's about needing to pursue goals at all.. Clipping your nails, getting food, getting to such and such plac...

There's probably a disconnect in what people are trying to achieve and what is actually happening in real time.

Ah yes. Well, unfortunately, you cannot remove yourself from your goals. The problem is the need for problems, in a very general way.

I still don't get what you're getting at, but maybe that's the Zen part?

Yes, that's essentially my version. Except, more enjoyable things is just what we do, because we are little entropy machines, working our little worke...

Clearly striving for more work to do to keep us occupied and focused on something, right? Just kidding, that is the common "pragmatic" response. Perha...

Not that we are put in the situation to overcome, I would say not.

Then it is the ceaseless striving for not striving.

Who said anything about insurmountable. More like innumerable, unending, ceaseless.

What were some things you did today? What will you do tomorrow? This week? This weekend? This year? Each activity, even if just sitting under a tree, ...

Still got to have goals to maintain. Doesn't have to be lofty goals. If you are a human with language, enculturated in a social setting, you will have...

We strive for goals ceaslessly (unless we are asleep/coma/unconscious). Perhaps the root of existential types of angst.

Work is just one manifestation of work.. And even if you were completely right about AI utopia.. it ain't happening in yours or my time.

Ridiculous response. You also use "modelling" as a kind of weasel word that stands in for anything including mental and non-mental processes and it al...

Nervous laughter that I'm right? :razz: . If you have a rebuttal, let's hear it.

For this question it is required. Why would there be a constructing going on? The view from nowhere has a point of view of modelling? What is doing th...

I notice you never really explain the mechanism of mind. You mention the error of Cartesianism a lot, semiotics, and your profound distaste for pan-ex...

Yes, and what is the point of view of mass?

This is the naive realism that I was mentioning. The view from nowhere might be nothing like how the mind perceives it. The object needs a subject. Ma...

This genuinely made me laugh out loud. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: . You get three schops.

Back in the day people nigh say it’s due to creating labor for their farm or to pass on their family:tribal lineage. Now the excuses are near the indi...

It’s as banal as banno.

I don’t see it as a need to blame. Rather, it is a need to see where suffering begins. It begins at birth. Non existence never cared. We can’t even po...

As I was saying, the efficient cause of suffering (and th need for its alleviation) is procreation. Similarly, the deficits that we must “overcome” ar...

Everything that causes harm is after the fact. Being born is the efficient cause to the harms. I’m sure the consensus here is that people will be born...

Agreed, but this would mainly be about the decay of the body leading to death, right? How about the other forms of structural suffering? Can you elabo...

Because the third person point of view is literally a "view from nowhere". If you conceptualize it, then you are back to a subject conceptualizing the...

This to me seems like a veiled ad hominem. Let's stick to what the topic is about. I don’t think psychologizing my point of view changes the structure...