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I guess also the view from nowhere (and everywhere) might also describe it, if we were to get a bit mystical.

What is your philosophy on things. I've only seen you in the critical mode, but not in the constructive one of your own ideas. A bit telling to me. It...

But this goes back to my thread on unity versus separation. Nietzsche is in a way MORE pessimistic than Schopenhauer in one way- that is to say, the s...

So a perfect unity would mean no need for need. You might describe it as a state like death, but death is only relative to what we know in life. You c...

Right, perfection need not move.. would be a very poetic way to say it, but its not the full story, and you know it.

A perfect world would have no challenges and no need for them.

It’s like a form of Stockholm syndrome. What other choice is there for most of us?

With fixing broken and annoying things? You can be bored while doing a task.

Haven't seen much change.. just more refined fixing.

Cool. But any thoughts on the other commentary?

Indeed..screams echoing in the void.. This seems an indirect attack on ideas like Will in Schop's philosophy. This also gives impetus to the later exi...

I think the big theme here we are all circling is the life-affirming vs. life-denying dynamic. Nietzsche seems to work here in irony. The irony of emb...

Can you give an example or explain? I think you are just talking about the scientific model: Big Bang, "laws" of forces and particles happening in spa...

If life is so labyrinthine to keep afloat and near equilibrium.. why do we perpetuate it for others to deal with?

Yes, and to a dog mind, smells have more linkage to intelligence, to a crow's mind would have to do with its ability to fly- a linkage we don't have w...

So a human would say. If it acquired all information.. I guess the point is, what is existence beyond our wants and needs?

I agree, these are the good parts. The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem. 2 Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher, vanity of ...

Because you are a puny human who cannot imagine such :smile:. It's analogous to those people who cannot think of a post-work life. Work provided so mu...

But we are talking the most advanced of AI..this would be an entity way passed an original programming code intention by a designer. This would be an ...

So this idea came from a Joe Rogan podcast where he was interviewing physicist Sean Carroll. On the podcst they discussed the idea of a potential domi...

Yes, something quite perplexing to me. That means perfection isn't perfection... still more need.. the need for need.

It depends. Do you like living in a world where you think that each goal seems like something to want but is really an illusion, and overall, we are j...

We strive in the world for what we know not. We think we do with each goal, but it goes away to be immediately replaced by another. We are but self-aw...

Which is all we can do when discussing what IS while still being a subject-for-an-object.

That's just it, we are trying to talk. You don't want to listen, because you go back to said predictions and verification models via math and say this...

You keep on thinking of things in terms of predictions and verificationism. That is simply not the "actual occasions", not the events, that is the tra...

That was cogent and relevant to this whole thread. I believe it to be the main issue underlying all of these arguments with the Whiteheadians and othe...

No answer.. The thing is, you don't take as legitimate, any explanation that is not in terms of scientific modelling. However, scientific modelling is...

True True I kind of disagree here. It is mainly an insentient universe. Even if there is "something of what it is like to be an event", that doesn't c...

It's relevant- I mean it's down to the level of talking about whether erosion is "experienced" by the rock, but it's the same thing. In this case, you...

Right, so from your source here: So, modelling doesn't have a "feels like". In fact, it doesn't have a metaphysical anything in the "real world". It i...

You have to define what you mean by modeling, and specifically what is "happening" during this "modelling".

I read most of the thread now, especially @"prothero"' explanation of Whitehead. I think he does a very good job explaining the nuances.

Honestly, I haven't been reading the whole thread.. I saw that last part and thought this was the same problem of mind question that is usually discus...

A description of the experience using informational constructs, is not the experience. Hence, people will be dissatisfied with your information theory...

Yes, thanks I am familiar with that decision and many of the other ones related to First Amendment.

Having a branch of government that interprets the written Constitution for practical use. Oh wait, we already have that. It's called the Supreme Court...

That's why the Supreme Court interprets the law for everyday cases so that "Fire!" in a movie theater is not Free Speech. The Founding Fathers were ac...

Yes, I would agree as well. No, if you have paid attention to my thread, my main point was this: The whole point of the thread was to show that it was...

Ok, this isn't a bad little summary. The whole point of the thread was to show that it was not Schopenhauer's Will that I am proposing, but rather tha...

Yes, but Schopenhauer never really conceived of Will in the way you are using it, what I'll call the "common usage". He thought of Will (with a capita...

Yes! This is very much along the lines I was trying to convey. So it looks like you are saying that Schop's conception is eternal and self-renewing, a...

How are the Schopenhauerean conclusions overwrought though? As I quoted in a previous post, the main Schopenhaurean point is the endless will which ha...

Okay, sorry for any lack of clarity on my part then. Proving a value, would in this case make sense though. If you are proving an ethical stance (that...

No mention of what, each article I pasted had to do with value/valuation/ethics/aesthetics.. and "proving" I explained further meant some sort of logi...

But desire in itself is framed as always negative. Sure, it is what we do, but it is also characterized by a restless pain of unfulfilment. It is the ...

I meant proving a theory of value, a theory of things that don't have to deal with simply "what exists" (metaphysics) and "how do I know something" (e...

The term “value theory” is used in at least three different ways in philosophy. In its broadest sense, “value theory” is a catch-all label used to enc...

Axiology (from Greek ????, axia, "value, worth"; and -?????, -logia) is the philosophical study of value. It is either the collective term for ethics ...

ax·i·ol·o·gy ?aks??äl?j?/Submit nounPHILOSOPHY the study of the nature of value and valuation, and of the kinds of things that are valuable. a particu...