But what is the negative outcome of no one living a good life? You haven't really answered that except with an elusive "it's a net benefit". Non-exist...
No one needs to be born. A good life doesn't need to be had by anyone. No one loses out by not living out a good life. Certainly it is good though tha...
People should live life because it has "redeeming qualities". Is this enough reason to procreate people who will face adversity, if they otherwise nev...
Nothing needs anything. Nothing needs to live a good life, if it doesn't live in the first place. However, not exposing someone to adversity is a good...
Necessity part GOES with the if no one is around to need adversity part. In other words,why are we creating situations where someone should go through...
Again, why are we creating scenarios that aren't necessary in the first place, so that someone has to go through the gauntlet of adversity for the rea...
This is incorrect sir. No, that is your little spin. Where did I say that? All I am saying is it is wrong to create conditions of adversity to someone...
Nope, I am not. I am just saying to prevent adversity, not that some actual person is benefiting from it. Preventing adversity for someone else is all...
But you didn't pay attention to the whole argument. The argument is that no one needs to give someone else a burden if they didn't need to be exposed ...
I completely agree. Hence why it is wrong to procreate. Procreation exposes adversity for someone else on their behalf. A new person didn't need to be...
Do you think it is right to expose another person to adversity when they didn't need to be exposed to it? What exactly would be the reason? Would that...
I don't see how it was not boiled down from the beginning. The analogy wasn't meant to be hard to make between the two ideas of the Buddhist/adversity...
If by entity you mean the person who is forcing the Buddhist into adversity, and by life you mean the people who are procreating the potential person ...
No you're still not getting it. The Buddhist is like the non-existent/potential child. There was no need for it to be forced into experiencing adversi...
None of this matters to me. I don't use future people as vessels for making life interesting, I don't use futuer people so that "life" can have a cert...
No. If you are saying is it a well-known fact, yes. Well, correct. That is the whole point. The child doesn't need to exist to experience adversity, p...
I don't get what you are saying here. This is an analogy- it is just a story to show a point. Why does affective states, compassion or empathy need to...
Who are you to judge for someone else what is "adverse" enough for them, psychological or not? How do you know to what extent that person would want t...
If the navel-gazing Buddhist is likened to the potential child that does not need to exist (to be exposed to suffering/adversity) in the first place, ...
Did you read the whole post? The point of it is if someone feels the Buddhist needs to go through adversity, and thus exposes him to a situation of ad...
Yes of course they depend on the context they were delivered and the preexisting beliefs they sought to modify. That’s exactly the sort of thing I’m t...
I think that is relativizing the whole historical project as it applies to a religious setting. History has its historiographical methods and there is...
But these would be converts to a form of Pauline Christianity who wouldn't even understand the original conception of Kingdom of God from the original...
I think it was representative of the apocalyptic Judaism of some sects of Judaism of that time (like the Dead Sea Scroll sect and apparently the one s...
Sure, look at Philo and his idea of Logos already there pre-Gospel/Christian period.. Clearly, Diasporan Jewish thought was influenced through Platoni...
Yes, it is amazing how even scholarly types will forget that none of these Jewish sects/parties during the time of Jesus were monolithic. Just like th...
Jesus quotes concerning law seem pretty in line with pharisaic notions. My own theory is he was may have been a part of that movement and when the tex...
Judaism around the time of Jesus had incorporated more "other wordly" elements, as opposed to their mainly "this worldly" emphasis in pre-Babylonian E...
Yes, and there is no need to strive for anything if no-person existed in the first place. No need to make people strive for a good if they can be prev...
So exposing a new person to all possible suffering it may incur in order to alleviate the suffering of a present person on one particular issue, is ju...
No I mean, the import of the argument relies on creating harm for someone else. Then their suffering is their own and not exposing a lifetime of suffe...
The terminus is preventing harm with no cost to any particular person. I cannot conjure an infinite amount of reasons. That is the starting place. Who...
Correct. Yes, there is a component that the suffering is on behalf of someone else. If someone suffers cause they can't do an action that will cause s...
Not in the circumstance of no person existing at all (but has a potential to ). In cases of potentiality of possible people, there is an absolute way ...
Then the same question remains. Why is life considered more important than preventing harm, when no actual person is losing out only the parent's sadn...
Well, part of the argument is where benefits of life (like I guess, life itself and pleasure) do not matter unless there is someone there to be depriv...
This doesn't make sense to me. Suffering and needs happen within life. Do not "saddle" a child with the burdens of life by procreating them into exist...
True. Hard to do when our very survival is predicated on collaborative actions- probably one of the main factors in why we have such a large neo-corte...
You seem like a very nice sweet individual (but who knows..maybe you kill baby kittens or something). Anyways, some like myself think that having chil...
By entirety of life, I mean, you have the unique ability to prevent suffering for an entire life. This valuing life as an end unto itself you mention ...
Yes, I know how they work. Certain people want to post like a troll to incite rather than insight. Could just be your online or real life personality ...
Ok, you have two arguments going on there and they are kind of separate ones. One argument is that by preventing people, the injunction itself is anni...
I've already explained my position on that. We agreed to disagree on the "feeling" of the matter. And then you reopened this for rhetorical points. Go...
Yes, so what does this say about humans? What to be done about this dilemma? There is a substratum of boredom which leads to urges to socialize, yet t...
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