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Good point. It reminds me of history education. There are theories now that history education can be a mish-mash hodepodge of time periods and events,...

So, I never claimed that most parents are thinking, "I am going to force someone into the world". That is the resultant action. Many people have "good...

IT DOESN'T MATTER. Whatever place you put the X time of the person being "born" is the time X of the force. That is a red herring! In a murder, you ca...

Ok, I agree there. No, no, no. If someone murders someone else, it is not the universe's fault and thus no one is directly culpable. That itself is a ...

It actually doesn't matter. You can believe it's conception.. you can believe it's the time of identity formation. It has no bearing. A red herring. T...

It's not a waste to prevent others from being harmed when it can be prevented- from not letting negative ethics from being violated. We can collaborat...

I'm sorry but this doesn't have much bearing here. When someone is born, THAT is the force. Preventing the "force" of the action (which is the time th...

I would agree with you in most other fields, but not so much philosophy being that there is no "cut-and-dry" concepts that must be "validated". It is ...

Oh gotcha. Well, if you read my passage, you can see what I am trying to get at with it. I'm glad if others find it satisfying, though. I always thoug...

Ok, I wasn't quite sure what you meant by biggest mistake of our life. Can you elaborate?

Isn't this an example of taking one passage out of context. If you read the whole thing, I then go into what I mean by that, and it isn't simply sayin...

Please read my own opinion on the matter. I am NOT against reading historical thinkers or "academic" philosophy!

Before answering you specifically, I'd like to add that I have a problem with academic philosophy in general. To me, academic economics and philosophy...

But this is not what I said. I said that you do not have the choice to have no choices. Again, from what I said earlier, and you keep overlooking this...

The premise of this thread stinks of elitism and fallacy of authority. If I was to take this perspective to the most logical conclusion, I would have ...

Not sure what context this was in based on what you quoted, but my point earlier is that if life is about trial-and-error, it is NOT good to put more ...

I can agree with that. The problem is being put in a situation where you are forced to change things in the first place. Yes, I accept that is the rea...

I'm going to include @"Possibility", in this being that I assume he/she agrees with your response.. How does interpretation of "collaboration" bypass ...

Again, this is an unjustified claim and is self-justifying. It is almost a naturalistic fallacy, if it were true. You assume reality is "collaborating...

Yeah, I do appreciate Pigliucci's approach, acknowledging the historical and social elements of science which seem to be overlooked. Scientific commun...

It doesn't have to be. There's not much here except accidental birth for "without conscious" individual input. This makes no sense. If you do action X...

I can get on board with that. While I recognize that there is "nothing new under the sun", there are always nuances to how an individual thinks about ...

I get the point to an extent. Sometimes it is fun to "dig in" to someone else's philosophical ideas as writ in an academic journal. But interests are ...

There's a lot of "No true Scotsman" fallacy going on here.

So there are two problematic things from this. 1) No one has perfect knowledge of the game. Sure, you can try to educate people as much as possible, b...

What you describe is the difference between descriptive and prescriptive ethics. Its simply a matter of that. Actions in real time are messier than id...

Not at all. The ideals are there. The world is messy. I never claimed it wasn't. Actually, yes! I think I had a hard time explaining that earlier with...

@"Congau" @"Possibility" I'd like to add that a possible justification for negative ethics is its association with autonomy. By violating a principle,...

Yes, if this applies to the scenario of intervening to someone who is about to or already violating the non-aggression/non-harm principle, then it is ...

Well yes, this is sort of the problem if by that you mean that the trolley conductor is forced to be in an unwanted situation whereby he has to choose...

Correct, that would be a more general way of putting it.

@"Congau"@"Possibility" I'd also like to distinguish between "de facto" forced and "physically forced". Most people have to find the most reasonable j...

It is ok to prevent the harm of someone else if their negative ethics is being violated by a third-party. The autonomy of the person has already been ...

@"Congau"@"Possibility" The irony is that the ultimate negative demands (don't procreate) would lower the need for positive actions (giving to charity...

This still doesn't matter to the argument- a moot point. The parents can prevent the outcome of conditions of harm caused to another by not procreatin...

I see it advertised for $4.99 on Kindle and $12.82 on paperback. Not a bad deal. Is anyone willing to purchase it or get it out from their local libra...

The result may be the end of the human race. However, it is not the goal, but the consequence of not putting more people into harm.

Yeah, I just find it interesting that we get to read philosophers' "great works" but then have no chance to put them through the scrutiny. They get a ...

Agreed Good points. Yep. Yep. I would agree with this but with a caveat. That once born, we cannot help but making missteps. The procreational decisio...

Good points...The human animal is hard to satisfy.. and even thinking of it in terms of "satisfaction" might be wrong if it is structural. Satisfactio...

Not good enough.. I want them getting pelted from intelligent posters from all angles.. just like we do to each other here :D. Edit: Also, I am saying...

Yes but let's focus on the scrutiny aspect- are the ivory tower academics getting their fair dose of scrutiny? Let us say that in a public philosophy ...

I always claimed that this starts with agreeing with the first principles. That is all philosophy can do... "If you believe X, Y, Z, it should entail ...

Yes similar point as above.. Doesn't it seem like a lot of times the original writers of these philosophies don't actually have as many opportunities ...

An interesting thought from this is I guess, how well tested are these philosophers that have famous works? All these criticisms and a lot of times it...

All logic starts with premises. You would just reject that, and it would be a waste of time.

I've always said that it basically goes down to first principles. If agreed upon, then it is about whether they are applied consistently. If you want ...

The point of not causing suffering?

You phrase it with such hostility though, so it already puts me on a defensive footing. Non-harm and non-aggression (when possible when dealing with a...

I would formulate it a bit different- duty to not cause harm when possible. If I forced you into a game whereby you would be harmed, because I thought...