Terrapin Station

How about this for a background? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/s17PEUd3Pcg/maxresdefault.jpg

I'm waiting for the tie-dye pattern. Or at least some paisley.

I think emotional pain is a real thing, sure. But, there's no need to be offended by anything anyone says. I see being offended as a flaw with the per...

Note that I'm not making the claim that "most Americans were not racist." Rather I'm skeptical about the claim that most were. That's not what I'm get...

Sure, we want to be able to trust people, but we often can not, and there's no way to enforce that everyone is going to be trustworthy. Keep in mind, ...

?? Not what I said. It's more that you wouldn't agree with you at a stage of development in your thought about this stuff that didn't resemble a high ...

Can you explain this question?

No. That's not even a sophormoric conflation. It's a freshman-level conflation. Or a high school kid getting high and thinking that he might be intere...

We're still working on you understanding how measurements are objective. You keep bringing up thinking about measurements --concepts, applying particu...

I'm not asking about naming and thinking about.

That's talking about the concepts. That's not what I'm asking about.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. You apparently aren't understanding my comments. I wrote above "being a female or male biologically would have ...

No matter what your feelings, how could you be born a biological male and not feel like a biological male? Any way you feel is a way that a biological...

Meanwhile the title of the thread is "Disambiguating the concept of gender"??

So then you don't think that it's subjective.

I wasn't asking you anything like that. I'm asking you if you think it's literally mental content and not a piece of plastic etc. that's independent o...

Huh? So you think the device is just something you're imagining, and it's an artificial division of something you're imagining?

This, for example: If you're a biological male, then any conceivable way your body is shaped, or any possible way that you shape it via modifications,...

What I've never understood is the fact that all of this "gender fluidity" stuff seems to be buying into stereotypes about biological sex hook, line an...

I'm guessing you'd say that "access consciousness" is amenable to scientific study? (Also, it seems like on the page you're linking to, you define "ac...

So, the part I agree with you about is that describing consciousness from a third-person, scientific perspective--maybe some sort of physico-chemico-b...

I can't be the first person you've run into where that doesn't work. It would probably be a good idea to learn how to let that go if it's causing you ...

i suppose it's some sort of psychological thing where you figure you can always get folks to come around to your thinking if you just try hard enough?

When that's one's assessment, why wouldn't one simply move on and not bother with the person in question? Wouldn't that be a simple solution that woul...

Well, it's always going to be at least partially a matter of how people semantically interpret what's said, and people have some degree of control ove...

Re the quotations, by the way, so then the answer is no, no one has suggested the complex/compound versus simple/atomic categorization you're suggesti...

So when you use a device like this: http://www.johnsonlevel.com/Content/files/LaserDistanceMeasure.png (And here's some info about it, including links...

First off, there's been absolutely nothing to even suggest that anyone is forwarding a categorization of complex/compound versus simple/atomic moral s...

The measurement isn't in your mind.

Also, you're missing the whole point, which is that when you have recalcitrant data, you don't just insist that the data has to be wrong. You have to ...

That might be, but we don't go by subjective reports for this. We make objective measurements. We can't do that when what we're studying is subjective...

"The earth is round" isn't about individual's subjective experiences. It's about the objective shape of the Earth. "S has mental content M" is about s...

I don't understand that clause, starting with not being able to figure out what "instantiating the import(ance) . . . " might amount to.

By the way, this is unfortunately what we more or less literally have done when it comes to positing something like dark matter. We realize that our e...

In other words, the only way to link third-person observational stuff like brain imaging to mental phenomena is via first-person reports from the subj...

The problem is rather that: (a) if S is making what's being classified as a "complex moral choice," and (b) S reports that he's making the choice simp...

First, I only have a moral objection to force (when it's nonconsensually applied, and then only with particular criteria). I don't believe that speech...

Your speech doesn't force my psychological states. At any rate, if you don't want to be straightforward about what you think the thought experiment sh...

Well, or just be straightforward and say what you think it's supposed to be showing.

What is that thought experiment supposed to be showing?

Re relevance, everything is relevant to some things and not relevant to others, depending on the interpretational framing one is doing. That's why I d...

What fact would you say we're disagreeing on?

That's not the case. We're not disagreeing on any facts. We're disagreeing on whether those facts are acceptable. In other words, I'm fine saying for ...

So one, I have issues with the methodology of lots of those sorts of claims. We could get into that, but it would be a big, detailed diversion to get ...

By the way, I don't know if you saw me mention this, but for some weird reason, I often do not receive notifications for posts you respond to. It happ...

Yeah, not immoral to me. I'm someone who wants people to express themselves as they feel like expressing themselves, and who thinks that we need to no...

It could just be speech, for example. I don't consider any speech immoral.

I'd say it must be "caused," but contiguous, etc. physical force is how I'm using the term "cause" there. So I'm substituting "force" for that to make...

For one, I don't consider any psychological states to be forced by environmental factors such as speech, and I only have an ethical problem with nonco...

Correct.