Terrapin Station

With the broken pup, how does the moral whatever obtain, exactly? If one person looks at the broken pup and says "the property of moral permissibility...

I think it's only mental. If you think it's both mental and non (which it would have to be if there's a nonmental component, because obviously it's st...

Right. So I'm asking you to provide evidence of that, to explain/evidence the nonmental moral whatevers. Can we finally get to the post where you do t...

You're disagreeing that it's just preferences, feelings, mental activity of some sort, right?

It's perfectly kosher for you to explain and evidence the objective moral properties post hoc. I couldn't care less about that. I just want you to exp...

And indeed I didn't. I explained what the objective property is, explained how we objectively measure/detect it, etc. You need to do the same to suppo...

Because you can't just say "the property is in the broken pup" you have to provide evidence of it being in the broken pup, you have to explain just wh...

I hadn't read every post. Why were we bringing up the biological correlation to gender concepts anyway?

Probably shouldn't bring it up, because we'd probably have to get into a big tangent about it, but on my view, truth is subjective because it's a judg...

In most of your posts in this thread, you seem to be asking whether matter and energy need to have transcendental characteristics (where we're assumin...

Seems like a complete non-sequitur to me.

I should have quoted you above. I was basically agreeing with this comment.

What set of beliefs? I don't think that's the case in any literal sense. There is cultural influence, though, of course. What empirical evidence is th...

Okay, so what is evidence of any implicit values of life and well-being, or where does that obtain/what is it a property of, etc.?

Are you talking about this? "So, for someone to say that they feel like a woman when they were born a man, what are they actually saying?" I responded...

What was the first sentence, or part of a unique phrase, in the post in question?

No, you didn't. "Then wouldn't you say that is what it feels like to be a man or a woman?" was in response to the question you're not answering.

Right. So let's get back to that. When you say that we need food and water to survive, are you saying something different than there are conditions th...

You also never answered the "what is P in the contradiction" question above. So we're back to one thing at a time, because you're ignoring stuff.

What happened to the fact that I just asked you a question (that you haven't bothered to answer)?

Valuable to a human being--aren't you arguing that what is valuable is not dependent on to a human being? That's the whole gist of your disagreement w...

I'm asking you a question. Why would what I say it feels like to be a man or woman be a question?

Minds have a particular sexual characteristic--you mean that in terms of mental content, there are characterstics associated with biological sex F, an...

Right, and in order for us to survive, certain conditions must be met, just like in order for us to not survive, certain conditions must be met. Do yo...

Didn't I write, and didn't you respond to this? Gender is male/female/etc. conceptually. Concepts are mind-dependent. Biological sex is male/female mi...

It's a fact that we can survive or not survive, no?

My point at the moment is just that I want you to answer that question. I knew I shouldn't have typed more, because this is the most important part of...

The rest of the post had nothing to do with the bit that you claimed needed the rest of the post. I don't need to respond to everything someone writes...

Re this, for like the third or fourth time now, what I said was: "Psychological and social, yes. Different from biological sex. There's nothing to deb...

Tell me what in the rest of your post is relevant to what I said, and if I agree, I'll paypal you $1000

They're saying that relative to social norms with respect to gender, as correlated to biological sex, they feel the social norm doesn't match their ps...

Sure. Why wouldn't it be useful to be familiar with any factual info? Among the factual info that it's useful to be familiar with is the fact that the...

Wait, are you saying that something statistically unusual isn't real? Re that, you can do that, of course, but you're just not going to understand a l...

Are you saying "automatic thoughts" as part of some game? Or you're claiming that in reality, people have automatic thoughts in relation to anything?

Yeah, I don't get what he's saying there, either.

We just need to say how it would be that life (or anything) has value outside of what anyone thinks about it. I don't know of anyone who thinks that m...

Definitely there are some physical or behavioral differences statistically, most not universally, correlated with biological sex, and that definitely ...

This is very confused per what I'm saying and per the conventional views of this. Gender is male/female/etc. conceptually. Concepts are mind-dependent...

I've actually read some of that before re Searle etc. but I sure didn't remember it. I don't agree with some of aspects of it re what I'm reading now ...

I have a subjectivist theory of truth, anyway, so it's not going to amount to what you want it to amount to if I think a sentence has a truth value. I...

Yeah, someone could stipulate that they're only going to use the word "moral" when people have in mind something like a categorical imperative--and if...

It's very curious that you'd think that if something only occurs in our minds, in our way of thinking about things, then we'd not be able to do the th...

I was demanding evidence not that that kicking puppies is wrong, but that "kicking puppies is wrong" is not only a preference that people have, a way ...

I wasn't characterizing that last bit as nominalism. But lol at the idea of you adopting a "teaching position" when you're not even familiar with natu...

It's not real that there are different things and not just one.

First, per nominalism, there aren't any two of the same mark (re them literally being the same), are there?

What makes this: !!!!!!! not one mark, for example?

No. True/false has to do with whether something matches facts or not.

Yes, quite. I take it you buy natural kinds?

You mean that it obtains somehow without being a property? :meh: