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No. But it would be quite an impressive feat, wouldn't it? :smile:

But if the term is defined to mean 'that part of the human mind to which we have no conscious access, of which we are not aware", then either it exist...

Hmm. "Unconscious mind" is the term we humans created to describe the human mind, minus the bit we call the conscious mind. The term exists. Our minds...

So what do you think unconscious brain phenomena are, if there are "no good reasons" to think they resemble conscious brain phenomena? What do you thi...

OK, so do you care to respond to the contrast between requiring justification to accept a proposition, and rejecting one on a whim?

You didn't. It was me that said that. But you surely don't disagree with it, being a logical sort of fellow? :wink:

From logic: if your evidence isn't conclusive, logic does not permit you to draw a conclusion. Therefore if you accept a proposition, it must be becau...

Too many "sounds like"s for me. :wink: I said what I meant; please ignore what you think it sounded like. :up: Belief is not knowing. Belief can resul...

Pending further consideration, evidence, and so forth, yes. :up: It appears that there may be unconscious mental phenomena. I'm happy with that uncert...

You misunderstand. I don't accept these possibilities as valid or true (without further consideration, evidence, etc.), I just refuse to discard them ...

How sad that you will set aside the endless possibilities the Universe offers, just because you can't prove them. The world is a wonderful and uncerta...

So, because you can't find a way of gathering evidence, you ignore or deny the activity? :chin:

I just re-read this, and I wonder if you think that the unconscious mind embraces only hind-brain functions, and is nothing more than an automated sys...

I'm still wondering why you characterise unconscious brain activity - activity attributed to that part (or 'those parts') of the mind that we refer to...

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Interesting. In discussions like this one, "conscious" and "aware" are often considered synonyms. Would you care to expand on how/where conscious acti...

This topic was created to discuss spirituality, enlightenment in particular. The persistence is yours. The derail is yours. The unfriendliness, that's...

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Not much. I see your assertion, and I disagree with it. I think that the two meanings of "enlightenment" that you describe are (roughly) equally well ...

I'd like to hear more, if you'd care to expand...?

Or perhaps you might accept that, like nearly every other English word in existence, "enlightenment" has several meanings, all of which are clearly un...

If a man has lived in a box for the entirety of his life, and he escaped the box to see someone getting killed, would he even recognise the 'someone e...

It refers to the so-called subconscious, unconscious or non-conscious mind, that Guy Claxton calls the "undermind", which is my preferred term. Your c...

Let me begin by saying that composing (creating) music is sadly not a skill that I own. :fear: So I must guess, based on my own actual creative experi...

To me, you're describing something wholly non-conscious here, whose results eventually emerged into conscious awareness. :chin:

...which is what the OP asked us to consider...? :chin: So why add alternative interpretations of "enlightenment" to muddy the original poster's topic...

Oh, I spent lots of time planning (and the like), which is conscious and systematic, but the creativity is in addition to that. :smile: :up: Creativit...

So he commented having read the topic title, but not having read any part of the OP? That seems strange....

Yes, of course. But "enlightenment" in the context of Eastern philosophy, has only one meaning. Didn't you know that? I'm sure you did.... :wink:

I left my last philosophy forum because they had become a sciencist closed-shop. Any topic that was not scientifically-oriented and scientifically-dis...

I do. When I eat them, (the remains of) my teeth hurt. So I don't. :up:

Yes, I think it would be. But (in my view), the new 'truth' (i.e. lies) comes out of the West, not Russia. Presidents Bush and Blair introduced the co...

There are two issues here. First you offer memory problems as the source of creative thought. Then you characterise creativity as a conscious process....

Really? Then you are not using the term "enlightenment" as it is commonly (exclusively?) used to describe this Eastern religio-philosophical concept, ...

Yes, white, male, Christian, Western techno-capitalist is quite a few ruts to be in, all at the same time! :wink: :smile: ... This seems problematic t...

I'm not sure if this is any help: In the autistic community, much is said of non-autistic people waxing lyrical about autism. They never consult with ...

Explicitly, I am saying that the value of an idea lies in its utility. Nothing you have said impinges on that statement, as far as I can see. You made...

??? I assert "the possibility of the unknown", as humans cannot knowingly possess objective knowledge (except that Objective Reality exists; we can kn...

Nothing can deliver objective knowledge to humans, nothing at all. The question really is what sorts of knowledge do you place value upon? Not all kno...

To be quite honest - who cares? The value of an idea is in its usefulness, not in its novelty.

As we have already demonstrated, new things cannot be deduced, because things that can be deduced from facts we already have, are not new, they are de...

The latter may be true, but the former does not follow from it.

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According to the definition of "deduce" and "original", you cannot deduce anything original. If C can be deduced from A and B (previously-known facts)...

That's because you seem unable to move beyond that which can be "deduced/adduced".

No, we can't. "Good" and "evil" are subjective value judgements. For example, what's good for a bonobo might be evil for you; i.e. they're relative an...

You're wrong because your reasoning is not, and cannot be, justified. You have made a list of incorrect (unjustified) assertions, then derived from th...

No, I'm sorry, it isn't. Your 'proofs' are nothing but a list of dubious (i.e. unjustified) assertions, leading to an unjustifiable conclusion. :roll:

:up: :smile: Yes, ask an autist, for whom 'masking' has a special meaning. :wink: For us, no masking means being outcast, but let's not get sidetracke...

There are surely many obstacles on the path to enlightenment. But, whatever enlightenment actually is, I am confident that it isn't "objective". :chin...