Cows are just one animal in the factory farming industry. Pigs are much more intelligent, even more so than dogs. The moral trifecta isn't necessary t...
If you're talking about a spontaneous act of violence, of course i would not have time to think about the moral decision making of the person/animal t...
If you want to go to the dictionary definition of 'speciesism', it is "the assumption of human superiority leading to the exploitation of animals." I ...
This is not an appeal to authority, but some of the most brilliant minds alive today, have made this very same comparison. Look up the talk with Peter...
Not in the way you think I am. As me and Buxtebuddha already explained, there's a difference between a necessary evil and an unnecessary evil. Eating ...
Because you wouldn't accept another living being causing you to suffer needlessly, would you? No, which makes you hypocritical and causes you to have ...
There is no 'moral' connection between me and roadkill. There is no pain I can cause to the animal, and therefore the only concern (if I were to eat i...
So you claim... This is shaky grounds for what you would base moral decisions on. I'd rather use reason and logical consistency instead of "feelings" ...
Are you going to continue to point toward pain that is beneficial to human health, rather than pointing to the pain that I am referring to that is dan...
Just to clarify, I hope you weren't agreeing with Harry Hindu's incorrect statement of falsely equating plants to animals. Because it is quite clear t...
I can't take you seriously any more. Vegans care about SENTIENT living beings that can experience pain and suffering. A plant does not have a brain or...
Really? So how about you go into a factory farm, lay on the floor and let one of the workers slit your throat. They can then feed you to a cannibalist...
Just because my community is using something that allows them to survive, doesn't mean they cannot improve it or replace it. And that's the entire poi...
Lol, yup. Apparently Vegans have this extreme and insane position. Yeah, it is REALLY EXTREME to not want to hurt another living creature needlessly. ...
Could you not say the same for the prohibition on slavery? That people wanted to take over the world with an absolutist moral prescription on treating...
I am starting to realize that at this point. He can't even clearly communicate his position without pointing to something I said or something I implie...
You claim to have accepted my 3 pillars while somehow still eating animals and holding a reasonable position? Half the time you were arguing from a po...
He's conflating 'moral absolutes' with 'moral consistency'. These are two different things. I have never advocated for moral absolutes, but I have adv...
I have never said this. This is the problem you are confusing. Empathy, compassion and consistency are ALL SEPARATE things. You can have 1 without the...
You are conflating self-defense (something that is necessary for survival) and eating meat (something that is NOT necessary for survival). You cannot ...
For anyone who cares about scientific journals, I have created a Google DOC with links to each supporting scientific research article. Plant-Based Res...
The grounds of the exception are imposed diminished well-being, which I already explained, but apparently you didn't read. In the same way you claim t...
You are confusing two points here. You stated that a lion doesn't understand the concept of right and wrong, AKA good or bad. But we, as humans, DO un...
Also, to you and anyone else. I am willing to have a debate/discussion about this over voice (discord) if you would like. Not sure how PM'ing works, o...
My position is, the consideration/improvement of the well-being of sentient beings. Clearly if I am being attacked, my well-being is being diminished,...
Empathy, compassion and consistency are not necessary. But if you do care about those three things, and hold true to them, Veganism logically follows....
What are the distinct set of circumstances? A slave owner could point to a set of circumstances, as well as have others that can relate and indentify ...
This is the main problem here. It is like saying, "If someone thinks that it's okay to enslave black people, and not to enslave white people, but perh...
Because you can't just throw in a bunch of random reasons together and think you have a coherent or reasonable argument. A bunch of bad reasons, when ...
Then you need to be willing to bite the bullet on humans who have the same intelligence as a pig. If not, you are being inconsistent in deploying your...
Ok, now you just went to justification overload. Here are your justifications: 1. Intelligence level. 2. How one 'looks' 3. How one 'acts' 4. Differen...
Meat eaters have a plethora of reasons, but you must take each reason one by one and deploy an ethical consistency push. Because if each reason breaks...
Yes, because it is clear that some humans have the same capacity for thought as other animals. Is this the bullet I was supposed to bite? Yet, it’s ju...
If you don’t have an ethically consistent justification for your actions, then your justification is just arbitrary and useless. The justification you...
So if a human did not have this capacity, such as in a severely autistic or mentally disable person, would it then be ok to farm them? If not, youre b...
Not sure how this is relevant? My point was, if you can avoid causing suffering by making a simple change (moving to a plant based diet), why wouldn't...
It isn't about inherently immoral. It is about ethical consistency. You'd have to explain why an animal is deserving of slaughter and a human is not. ...
I don't think eating meat is intrinsically wrong though. Just like I don't think eating human flesh is intrinsically wrong. They can go to taste, then...
Tell them to use that logic on themselves. If a human suddenly loses the capacity for pain, should we be justified in killing them? Same with animals....
Not sure what to tell you, because it is very simple. You are paying for an animal to be killed. That is directly causing harm to animals. Also, by pa...
It's not just about pain. My moral foundation is specifically in reference to sentient beings. That we care about the well-being of sentient creatures...
It is part of basic universal rights. The right to live free from pain and suffering. We call this universal human rights, which are granted at birth....
If I hold a pigs head over a flame, will the pig not squirm and do everything in its power to get away from the flame? Meaning, it has a will to live ...
But despite which one you are more empathetic towards, do you think both do not deserve to be in that cage? And do you think both deserve the right to...
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