chatterbears

I will define decency as the recognition of basic rights. That I have the decency to recognize another living being as having the will to live and can...

Both scenarios (eating meat and owning slaves) are wrong because of the treatment that follows the action. Eating meat supports torture and slaughter....

I'll answer your question first. I'd say both of the butchering scenarios are wrong, but butchering a human is worse, because I value human life over ...

This is the same logic people who were opposed to slavery 200 years ago could have said. They could have stated "So if I stop owning slaves, will ever...

But we, as humans, have a higher capacity for moral value and therefore have an obligation to use it to create less harm and less pain. Although a lio...

For this issue, I'd say yes. Because it causes more pain and suffering than anything else. We kill something like 50+ BILLION animals per year, and I ...

So you only treat animals with decency if they experience pain and suffering at the same conscious level of a human (which I don't even know how you w...

You can say this is BS, but test it out for yourself. Why do you eat meat?

This is basic supply and demand. You demand the meat, so the factory farms supply it to you. And how do they supply it? By torturing and slaughtering ...

Organic, cage-free, free-range, etc... Are all irrelevant to the actual treatment and killing of these animals. You are one of the few to admit to inc...

Both humans and cows/chickens/pigs can experience pain and suffering. Therefore, at the very basic level, not violating the rights of another sentient...

Again, you can use this same logic between humans. Each individual human has different brain structure and a different nervous system (not identical)....

I am a bit confused on your position. Are you a meat eater?

This is why I asked you to clarify your question. You went to consciousness and I responded. Rephrase your question.

If I am inconsistent in something that is as easily changeable as a diet, I would change it.

Many different types. 1. Harm to the animals who are being tortured and slaughtered for food. 2. Harm to the environment. One of the leading causes of...

Every action you initiate has a justification for why you commit that action. Especially when it comes to ethical/moral choices. Things like preferenc...

A severely mentally handicapped person, or a brain dead person, does not have the same level of consciousness with regards to pain and suffering than ...

Do you think the justification of "i like it" is valid and ethically consistent?

I'll argue the point with them when the time comes, but that statement in and of itself leads to an absurd position. But again, you are just playing d...

So, if a species level of consciousness is to a point of being incapable to feel pain or suffering (maybe similar to a plant), then I wouldn't see a p...

Oh, I am fully aware a person can be consistent and also eat meat, but that usually leads to absurd positions or factually wrong positions. I guess th...

If you don't mind me asking. Why do you eat meat?

Yes I do. That I consider the well-being of sentient (conscious) living beings. What exactly is your question?

Do you eat meat?

Being factually wrong is a big problem, don't you think? Also, I am unclear of your position. Are you just defending the position that you do not hold...

By that logic, you can use the same reasoning between two humans. Each person has a different capacity and tolerance for pain, and therefore does not ...

Because they feel pain and suffering. And we should not cause needless pain and suffering to another living being. But to be more clear, why do you ea...

They may not feel identical pain to the pain we experience, but they still do in fact feel pain. That is just a fact.

They can be arbitrary, but people can be inconsistent within their own arbitrary ethics. Which is part of the problem.

Lions, tigers and alligators cannot moral assess actions and conform to ethical consistency. They don't have the capacity for moral evaluation like we...

agreed, but for the sake of argument, let's talk about our factory farmed animals (cows / chickens / pigs)

If you put a human's head over a hot flame, the human will try to move their head out of the way of the fire. If you put a pig's head over a hot flame...

Saying animals don't feel pain is just wrong. They can reject it, but they would be in fact wrong. Animals feel pain. What are the signs of pain? Dist...

Plants are living things but cannot feel pain or suffering, because they do not have a nervous system or a brain. You value life and avoid pain and su...

Even if we were "designed" to be meat-eaters, as you put it, we currently live in a world where a plant-based diet can be sufficient enough to survive...

The most important factors of what it is like to be an animal, are the abilities to feel pain and suffering. They also share similar qualities of show...