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This is just completely false. You can't ignore facts about reality to feed your inconsistent position. Animals can experience mental distress, simila...

I don't even understand what this means. I should care to not kill the plant because it has a life, just as I have a life? I specifically stated that ...

Also, as a side question. What do you base your moral foundation on. The bible? The mind of God? Etc...

This is just as flawed as appealing to 'preference'. What makes you happy does not say anything about what is right or wrong. If it make me happy to c...

The fallacy of composition arises when one infers that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some part of the whole. For exa...

I don't see how we could reasonable judge whether or not it became unnecessary for a lion to kill a gazelle. How would you even be able to differentia...

So at this point, you're either being intellectually dishonest or are extremely confused. Other way, I think I have tried enough times to get a valid,...

Plants do not have a brain or nervous system to experience pain, therefore they don't' belong in this discussion. As far as basic rights, my "feeling ...

Again, unless you want to produce an inconsistency within your own ethical framework, you would need to grant the same 3 basic rights to animals. - Ri...

Half the world's grain crops are fed to the world's 65 billion farm animals. How many insects/worms do you think are killed in the process of harvesti...

Not necessarily equality, as more so to do with consistency. Also, even if it was about equality specifically, what valid counter-argument have you pr...

This seems to me you are a speciesist. Is this correct? That because a species is different, we are therefore justified in treating them however we wa...

Logical consistency implies equality. I wasn't hiding anything, and from the very beginning of this thread, I have stated "Don't justify an action you...

Quite simple. Don't kill other sentient beings if you don't need to. There are two options. A: Eat animals, which results in pain, torture and death. ...

-Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security (Article 3) -Freedom from Slavery (Article 4) -Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment (Article 5) I d...

Completely false, as I stated every animal deserves basic rights. I have no love for porcupines in the same way I love dogs, but both of these species...

Can dogs understand voting rights? No. Therefore, that right should not be granted to them. Can dogs understand pain and suffering? Yes, therefore the...

I ask for a single trait, rather than multiple at a time, so we can tackle each trait one-by-one. I am fully aware that everyone has multiple traits t...

So to clarify, are you a speciesist? Because since you don't have a specify trait you can point to, in distinguishing why one animal (humans) deserves...

The lion requires the consumption of the gazelle to survive. This is a necessary evil for the lion to survive. The mentally disabled person does not r...

I provided scientific evidence that eating animals cause more objective harm than eating a carrot. Are you going to provide any counter-argument or an...

At one point in time, women and black people did not have the right to vote. Just because a group of beings doesn't have particular rights, or it is n...

That is irrelevant. You would still need to explain why you deserve those rights, but an animal does not. Because in many cultures, especially in the ...

People keep misinterpreting what I mean by the moral trifecta. I am not stating that most people adhere to this moral trifecta, because in reality I w...

Zero. Why is that relevant? Both are not a relevant distinction that would condone mistreatment of the living being. Species and skin color, are both ...

Do not equate snails to carrots. It is objectively true that less harm would be caused from eating a carrot, than eating meat. That's just a fact. Als...

I wasn't saying you have used intelligence as a justification. I was stating that other people have (in this thread), and this is how the argument fol...

Agreed, but it is based on deductive reasoning. In the same way I can state that, it is more probable than not, that over 90% of the human population ...

Do you only just make statements without explaining a word or deploying a counter argument of any kind?

So you think every evil is equivalent and we shouldn't waste our time trying to better our society to reduce pain and suffering? Because your stance s...

You're comparing two items. I am comparing two situations of similar discrimination which people use multiple reasons to justify condoning it. How man...

And do you think you're immoral for eating meat? And if so, why don't you change it. Changing your diet is much easier than many other things in this ...

So are you appealing to the societal/cultural norm? Which, I don't think I would need to state how flawed that position is. The cultural norm says not...

This is a failure to actually answer the question. What are traits in being sufficiently human-like? Skin type? Intelligence level? The ability to spe...

And I'm bored of you failing to recognize the similarities, and also never presenting a counter argument. Even if the two situations weren't comparabl...

Except that a moral person would try to find the owner of that $100 is possible. An immoral person wouldn't think twice and just take it for themselve...

All you have ever said is, "I don't accept your analogy", or "It is not similar." - You haven't actually provided a counter argument or rebuttal to re...

There's no black and white form of consistency. You're either consistent in your ethics, or you are not. A racist is inconsistent within their ethical...

I never said you are directly responsible for the theft or killing of animals. I have specifically stated, multiple times, that you are CONTRIBUTING t...

To make it more analogous, this thief would need to start a business. And that business would be based on the fact that he steals from others and then...

Why do you eat animals?

What are you even saying here? An absolute sense? We have plant-based alternatives, so how is it necessary at all, let alone in an absolute sense. Als...

So if a human (such as a severely mentally disabled one) didn't have the cognitive capacity for empathy and compassion (to any better degree than a co...

This is completely irrelevant. Owning slaves was 'just how it was for many people, and it was just how it continued to be for quite some time.' - And ...

You still have not acknowledged the similarities I have pointed out between the two. All you can say is, "they aren't the same thing." - Just because ...

Ok let's use your same logic here. If I hire a hitman to kill someone, am I responsible for the person's death? Or am I only responsible for paying th...

Saying you're a speciesist is the same as saying you're a racist. Discrimination against another species (or race), simply because they are of a diffe...

You still would. Because you need to explain why you don't feel empathy for a cow, but you do for a human. What is the trait that differentiates the t...

I guess I'll post my google doc again: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1REgp2VreWfgHhatxycdk0GN6P9HyXID6UTzuNb4f7sY/edit?usp=sharing Click on t...

This is completely false, because I even stated that I would kill a severely autistic human to save a starving human child. So this is not speciesism,...