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This is better than regular factory farmed animals, but it still isn't good enough. Although the pain and suffering is important, so is the killing. W...

It has nothing to do with me not giving a shit about plants. It has to do with the current scientific consensus, which is that plants are not sentient...

You can do the research yourself, but Entomologists have stated they aren't convinced that insects feel pain. Having a central nervous system is only ...

Back to Ad Hominem huh. You get upset when the scientific journals don't support your defective reasoning, so you go back to nonsensical comments. Sto...

Beings that have no centralized nervous systems are not sentient. This includes bacteria, archaea, protists, fungi, plants and certain animals. Bacter...

None of your research was a scientific journal, other than your NCBI link. And even that link said NOTHING about plants being conscious or being able ...

I'd love for you to post the research, instead of constantly asserting things without evidence. Plants can remember? Post the scientific journals and ...

Why are these studies so old? It would be more relevant to find studies within the past 5-7 years, as more knowledge has been gained since 2002. But e...

Post it again so I can read the study. I don't understand why you couldn't just post it again, when I even said "I may have missed it, so can you link...

Not sure what you're talking about. Are you saying, it is okay to eat animals because other animals eat each other? If this is what you're saying, you...

Then you are an Atheist. There are two propositions. 1. I believe god exists. 2. I believe god does not exist. If you do not accept #1 as true, you're...

Link us multiple studies that all point to the same conclusion. Scientific consensus doesn't come from one study, but from multiple sources that all a...

To both of you, since you're so humored by how unreasonable Vegans are; how about you debate me, live on stream. You can show thousands of people how ...

If there's an alternative, then I would say it is unnecessary. If it is a case, such as in an indigenous tribe, then hunting becomes more necessary, b...

I told you, even when supplying them with scientific studies that support a plant-based diet, people like Txastopher will still reject it and say I am...

Again, it's funny to hear the opposition assert things without evidence. How about you provide him with the scientific peer-reviewed evidence (within ...

Are you going to ignore my comments/questions and continue to ask your own? I asked why you eat meat.

This is similar to people who don't believe in God, but don't want to be classified as an "Atheist", because the term "Atheist" is synonymous in so ma...

This is false. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1REgp2VreWfgHhatxycdk0GN6P9HyXID6UTzuNb4f7sY/edit?usp=sharing There's my google doc with scienti...

Conflating friendship possibility to the possibility of ending harm to the best you can, is absurd.

My philosophical basis for Veganism is to be logically consistent within your ethical decisions and the justifications you use for those decisions. We...

What you're basically saying is, "Dont isolate parts of my argument, because then my whole argument will crumble" - Sorry. I'll try my best to not att...

You just proved my point. You're saying that a person should not criticize each individual justification, and instead criticize all justifications as ...

I don't have a problem with lab created meat. I'd probably even eat it :D

Were the people who supported the prohibition on slavery "extreme'? Would you have labeled them as 'intolerant' to anyone who still continued to own p...

We extend compassion for them because of the harm it would cause to those who love them. It has nothing to do with causing harm to the brain damaged p...

You still haven't explained why or how you tell if something is considered right or wrong from your perspective. I'd like an answer to this.

And to be consistent, should it follow that we can eat humans that contain a lower ability in thought, such as a mentally disabled person?

Nice strawman there. You already know I am not referring to animals that we find dead. I am referring to animals that we kill, such as in factory farm...

Both actions need to be properly justified. Yes, a world with a perfectly raised animal that experienced no torture and pain, up until a painless (one...

Again, another deflection. You pointed to other places in the world that do not have access to a plant-based diet. I then responded and stated 'I want...

except Veganism has scientific evidence to support its claim. And philosophically, I can use reason and logical consistency to back up my position. Mi...

Admittedly it is much harder to apply one type of argument to multiple people, such as in this thread. In person discussions have went much more smoot...

Agreed. Which is why I have posted my google doc multiple times throughout this thread. But even with that, people throughout this thread have appeale...

In this thread, as well as other people I’ve talked to in person, they have rejected the health evidence. They think it is just as healthy to include ...

Preventing suffering is one thing. Causing suffering is another. Eating meat CAUSES suffering. Not sure how you don't see the difference here? I am no...

Is it impractical to obtain plant-based products where you live? Because as i have stated before, every single person I have talked to, owns a compute...

Pain and death go hand in hand, as they are both causing harm. Environmental impact is also in reference to harm. They are all regarding harm, so I am...

This is incorrect. People can be contradictory within their own personal subjective beliefs. It has nothing to do with the collective. As stated befor...

Not sure what you mean here. Can you rephrase and clarify? Self-defense is justified because that living being's rights have been violated and needs t...

Well you didn't clarify. All you said was, "what makes human beings happy rather than what is required to survive." - And what makes human beings happ...

Which creates an internal contradiction. The point of my OP was to display the consistency of our ethics. The compassion, empathy & consistency standp...

Have you done any research on the harm caused from factory farming? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1REgp2VreWfgHhatxycdk0GN6P9HyXID6UTzuNb4f7s...

So a collection of bad reasoning, when put together, somehow creates a good whole reasoning? This makes no sense. An argument can consistent of multip...

You give an example of a plane, person in the crowd, and sand. Where is the example that applies to me? Use the same structure and apply how that fall...

Because that is how two people discuss and debate a position. One side presents reasons for why they believe something, and the other side can respond...

I'm done responding to your statements, so don't quote me anymore. Feel free to respond to the other Vegans in this thread, like NKBJ. You simply lack...

Are you admitting defeat? Appealing to personal gratification is probably the worst justification you have used so far.

The deserved rights I was referring to were about liberty, pain and freedom. But does a dog "deserve" to eat meat, isn't the proper question. The prop...

Correction here. The proper term would be sentient, not conscious. So can you point to a non-sentient animal that we would raise for consumption? But ...