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The question was why is there such unanimity, and is there some pragmatic difference between near universal agreement and objectivity. It seems what y...

I think that is my point. Believing in high degrees of subjectivity in moral judgments reduces them to preference

Agree If, as I do, believe there is a high degree of objective truth that murder is wrong, I would say that person is objectively wrong. If you believ...

incredulity is not argument, and obviously not very effective on me. I am open to reason if you would care to take a deep breath and actually address ...

I undersatand that, but it does not answer how we as human beings have near universal moral judgments on many things, if there is not some things with...

I am not allowed to disagree with that?

Yea, I still see a logic flaw, you don't. Does it matter? Is one of us right and the other one wrong? Is there a truth about the nature of morality th...

you have missed the point

that was my point, moral or not is just preference, there is no truth. Vanilla or chocolate, Red Sox or Yankees. One is not the true answer.

so if there is no truth value in any relative moral judgment, why make them? It just turn all such judgments to preference. Murder or not murder is th...

this is an actual question not an argument. How does the language of moral relativism work? These are still judgments being made, and qualitative word...

or kill each other like sharks

think we both just basically said the same thing re Nietzsche

all due respect, and I mean that. None of that self description is close to an argument against the point I was making. The difference is?

thank you for the history, truly thank you for taking the time and making the effort. My main issue in the debate is not that morality purely objectiv...

completely agree

agree as I have said a few times - my view is there is a continuum with pure subjectivity on one end and pure objectivity on the other - and we all pl...

you of course realize that relative to my point of view all of equally applies to you. Ironic

no issue - don't care very much on the basis of the objectivity - just there has to be some degree of objective standard in order for their to be some...

tell me any meaningful difference between what you propose as subjective, and those beliefs are to a high degree objectively immoral. Just some coinci...

non answer to the response to your question non answer to my challenge to your claim of fallacy nothing at all to do with the point - but thanks for s...

there still is no better or worse, you can have more or less widely agreed - inside or outside the predominate view, even the overwhelming predominate...

yes, that is my entire point - there is no meaningful value judgement that can be made about competing moral views if you hold to subjectivity - they ...

can you give just one example of anything that is subjectively better than anything else, in any sense of the word better, that is not just an opinion...

that is my position that i have been arguing - not theirs. How can one subjective moral view be better than any other subjective moral view - if the b...

I agree - the difference is now it is not 2 subjective moral views in opposition - now it is one moral view aligned with an objective norm and one not...

Isaac - I can help you with the right answer - here it is: Rank - Me and a few million other relative morality believers all seem to hold 2 of the sam...

no - sorry as a moral relativist i appreciate that is your subjective moral view, but it is not my subjective moral view. And as one believer in subje...

ok - no worries - enjoy the rest of the day

goodness gracious of course i don't - you just couldn't resist one last ad hominem could you. Did that really add any philosophic significance ? Just ...

I will leave here subjectively believing what I darn well please and there is nothing subjectively you can say to change my mind :)

we are good - as soon as you acknowledged, as you did that there needs to be some degree of objective view in comparing moral judgments - i am fine - ...

fine with all that - your right I don't change my mind. And it leaves us with two different subjective options about the morality of Hitler and no obj...

and now we enter semantics - and ad hominem - seems the discussion is nearing an end

that is a non answer to a direct question -

getting closer - my view is there is no such thing as either absolutely subjective or absolutely objective morality - it is a continuum and we place o...

maybe this is a better way of me making my point. My subjective moral judgment is that Hitler did nothing that is morally wrong. Assume your subjectiv...

this is very hard - we can all make whatever subjective judgments we want, you can even say your subjective judgement of my subjective judgement is wr...

no issue at all with that - that is my point - as long as the basis of every argument you make is your own subjective judgement. Any plea to anything ...

you have missed the point - neither person A or B have done the action - person A and B are making subjective judgments on the same action X - than so...

go ahead and make the argument please - tell me why my subjective judgment that rape is not immoral.

What is your argument than to person b who has a different subjective judgement that he is incorrect, other than - "in my opinion" any other argument ...

subjectively you are both right, if you do not allow some level of objectivity into the judgment you can not compare them, other than saying they are ...

that is exactly what I am saying - don't see how that begs the question

agree fine - but must now give up the the believe that all moral judgments are subjective. Because now you are comparing subjective judgement - how ca...

this is the issue i am struggling with - happy to be schooled on my errors - If morality is completely subjective to the individual, than it is equall...

Thanks, I’ll do a few hours of research today. It would have been easier if you just directly pointed to the lack of logic. Understand how demeaning i...

whether it is my inability to state it clearly or your lack of understanding it correctly- but that reply has nothing at all to do with the point I wa...

agree

Which both bob and joe can make individually relative to how they individually feel. They just can't make any value judgments on what anyone else valu...