Artemis

It may seem obvious, but it is foundational in that it is the first step toward any logical system. And it is a fact about the universe in the same wa...

But before you said this: So please make up your mind what your position is.

This is all to counter the idea that you could call philosophy an opinion but not physics. As you suggested above. Mode of thinking sounds just like a...

I'll start off by quoting myself to someone else on this forum just the other day: "It helps when we do away with the need to "know with 100% certaint...

Yeah, it's called the "fallacy of four terms." It's also called a joke. :joke:

I think there's a couple of false assumptions implicitly wrapped up in here. For one, there are philosophical debates that don't seem to have "real wo...

Way to miss the point.

a: What is your opinion on the Jabberwocky? b: Pretty negative. a: Do you know what the Jabberwocky is? b: Not a clue. a: That means you have no idea ...

They cannot both maintain that they cannot have an informed opinion and think they have an informed opinion.

In which case they cannot have an opinion thereof.

Before we continue this no doubt highly fascinating discussion, I ought to point out that we've strayed far from my original point and that this discu...

Yes. Just with more knowledge and at a different level. The difference between chess world championships and amateur chess at home.

Depends.

Since philosophers don't just do that, this is a dead end. Ideally, they would not debate but share their respective insights whilst acknowledging the...

That would be an amphiboly....so obviously. That example doesn't therefore pertain to the discussion. The fact that philosophers disagree on any given...

Yes, but certainly you would defer to their expertise on all matters chess, or at least recognize that they probably know better than you about the be...

Not explicitly, but non-philosopher implies some idea of philosopher. ~A can only be understood in terms of A. In theory, every human being in every o...

For your entertainment, a syllogism: P1: Nothing is better than eternal happiness. P2: Philosophy is better than nothing. C: Philosophy is better than...

What do you mean by "philosophers" and "non-philosophers"? If by philosopher you mean professional or academic philosopher versus the rest of humanity...

I think language captures and conveys elements of perception. Sometimes it may influence perception, but it is not the source thereof.

Not sure what you mean, it being about language. But it's a pretty obvious perception. I think anthropology gains much from looking at art, and that a...

Interesting to note that Hillary still thinks she's running or has a say in the election. I hope Sanders and Warren team up, or Warren and Booker woul...

Aesthetics encompasses more than just beauty. It also covers ugly even repulsive things. It describes the entire spectrum of these kinds of.... I gues...

So, if I recall correctly, he suggested that anyone who actually found the first half of his novel titillating was just exposing a corruption already ...

Well, it's no Hamlet, but you're right that philosophical dialogue has a lot of the merits of art, specifically plays. On a side note, dialogue as a f...

Yes, I agree that courage to say something interesting and important would be a quality of great art. But not all art is great. Some of it (most?) ran...

I know what you mean, but I'm not sure it suffices. I don't have an answer as to how much an artist has to actually manipulate things in the world in ...

Anything can be viewed aesthetically, true. But not all that is aesthetic is art. The object or performance or whatever in question must in some way b...

Yes. Aesthetics includes other things, even repulsion or disgust. Another example: Jazz artists use tension and release in the form of dissonance (not...

Well, my only slight alteration would be that the artist can't just point and call something art. S/he has to engage in some act of creation. Yes, I a...

I said other because strictly speaking philosophy covers three categories: metaphysics, epistemology, and ethics. But that covers a vast, if not all-e...

I think the term "aesthetically engaging" is more useful for defining art. There is art that is meant to engage many, even contradictory aesthetic imp...

Right. It's like the difference between accidentally pressing the button on your camera (complicated machine!) and choosing to do so. The camera may b...

Yes. And I will look tomorrow when I'm home on a laptop :smile:

I don't think it's a one way street like that. We have a definition of a cat, and we've decided on the basis of what cats are on a definition of them,...

How else to differentiate between art and a sunflower or bird's nest?

Google isn't being helpful: can you give me a link or reference to how we know Gainsborough disliked his own art?

I have not looked yet, but from your description of it being a computer program with the unintended byproduct being aesthetically pleasing, I would sa...

Well, unless he was obtuse somehow, it seems to me that he understood why his making paintings was making himself money, and so it seems to me he must...

He whether he liked his own art or not, he understood that they aesthetically engage others.

Another thought here: the idea of a publicly accessible medium implies that people other than the artist must at some point have had at least the poss...

Intention to create something that is aesthetically engaging in some way. I have not abandoned it. I'm pointing out that suitably technically demandin...

No, I don't think that makes it circular. It's not like saying a dog is a dog. I've added the stipulation that it has to be intended. No it doesn't. J...

Oh, and Van Gogh was one of those who "learned the rules to break them" types. I think that some of his work looks a little childish, but apparently h...

But again, on what basis do they decide this?

Intentional refers only to the objective that it was my intention to create art. Other intentions are not excluded and it is very possible that one ca...

As a hypothetical I think there might be some worth to such a test, but I might stipulate that the hypothetical archeologist needs to be of a certain ...

The archaeological test seems to exclude any kind of ephemeral or performance art that has not been captured by some durable medium.

Art = The suitably technical, creative, and intentional embodiment of aesthetically engaging thought or emotion in any publicly accessible medium. The...

When killing precisely counts as a murder is a whole different can of worms. I'm just pointing out that murder is predefined as being wrong. You might...