Metaphysician Undercover

Language is limited by purpose, because it is subjugated by purpose, is it not? I think maybe this is the essence of the shift that he has made at thi...

I think maybe it's the passing of time that I sense. What do you think?

To me, the inconsistency which comes into play at 127 is obvious. But I see the switch at 127 as necessary because the position held before this is un...

I believe the multitude of purposes is represented as a multitude of language-games at 130. Often a specific game has a particular object, goal or end...

Here's an example of Trumpian logic. All professional politicians are liars. I'm not a professional politician. Therefore I'm not a liar. The sad part...

I support that. But that's just an assertion.

Despite your pains, there is no such error. If the work of philosophy is to do X, then the philosopher's goal is to do X. You are incorrectly arguing ...

I pointed out that your response missed a key point. The so-called goal of philosophy requires a process, or work, described at 130-132, which is inco...

That's a good question. I don't think I really know.

I don't sense extension, nor do I sense a point. That's why I asked for definition, to be clear on what you were asking. These are properties, like ot...

You're missing a key part of the description, which is explored at 128-132. This is the method by which philosophy proceeds toward its goal of making ...

Seems you didn't read the entire post. Yes I am familiar with extension. That's why I asked for definitions You seemed to be saying that "extension" a...

109 We must do away with all explanation, and description alone must take its place. And this description gets its light, that is to say its purpose, ...

Right, I was saying that the logic you used could only be meaningful if you had some definitions. I was saying that you needed such definitions, reque...

I did. If you cannot understand, then so be it. He says "On the other hand it seems clear that where there is sense there must be perfect order". This...

Do you like Trump's style, of inciting hatred for the purpose of political advantage? I recognize that there is a style of "attack" which has become p...

I quoted 126 at least twice and 125 at least once. I'm not here, to teach you how to read. I would expect that anyone partaking in this discussion wou...

I didn't see how this question was relevant. To me it seemed like you were trying to change the subject. Perhaps all logic requires definition, I don'...

Yes, do you see the inconsistency there? Complete clarity is what Wittgenstein says is the goal of philosophy after 127. Prior to 127 the goal of phil...

I think we'd have to move to inductive logic, but inductive conclusions are debatable. Anyway, you seemed to be applying deductive logic. Something li...

Right. This does not follow logically, because both "point" and "extension" require a definition, they are mathematical terms, like numbers, things wh...

When someone says we are aiming at something, as is the case in 133, "the clarity we are aiming at", then that thing is a goal. Whether this clarity a...

No, it is succinctly stated at 133 that clarity is the end of philosophy. "For the clarity that we are aiming at is indeed complete clarity. But this ...

I don't understand your question. Why would I judge a tape measure to be a point?

How would my eyes separate one section of the tape from another?

No, length is a judgement.

I don't sense numbers.

No.

That there is a tape measure and there are two rocks is clearly a judgement rather than a simple sensation.

Yes, of course. I see no need to bring in an infinite regress here. Of course a regress is possible though. If someone makes a judgement, and another ...

"125. It is the business of philosophy, not to resolve a contradiction by means of a mathematical or logico-mathematical discovery, but to make it pos...

I see a move of inconsistency in this section. Prior to 127, he describes philosophy as just laying things out, "to make it possible to get clear view...

My point though, is that this is all just a judgement. That there are letters in front of you is a judgement. The doctor makes a judgement comparing w...

I see with my eyes and read with my mind. If that's what you call being a psychic, then I'm beginning to understand why you have so much difficulty un...

I made my point. You compared your political activity to "the average person". But the average person only even votes sometimes, so that really doesn'...

That's right, the tape measure doesn't read, I read the tape measure, and reading is a mental activity. I read the tape with my mind, not with my eyes...

As I said before, if the pattern which we are talking about is not an existent thing, then what are we talking about, and why are we having this conve...

We make judgements about anything. Do you recognize the difference between the thing and what is attributed to the thing (a property)? Or, the differe...

I agree, and I find this to be very odd. The TLP is extremely naïve in its simplistic representation of philosophy. In the PI Wittgenstein appears to ...

I don't think that the difference is a matter of "location in space". The pattern on the shirt can be seen and can be measured as occupying space, the...

That sounds like a lazy professor, getting the exam questions off the internet.

Of course the relations of the threads are non-physical. How could they be conceived of as physical? The threads are physical things which we can sens...

As having properties is how we describe things. Where does the property emerge from, the human mind which does the describing? If you are direct reali...

I don't see how that's relevant. What's relevant is that the concept of "emergence" is such that if something is emergent it is composed of parts. And...

The pattern is something other than the shirt because many different shirts are said to have the same pattern. And, the person who designed the shirt ...

I can't believe that this is not obvious to you. If a thing emerges, it emerges from those constituent parts, and is therefore reducible to those part...

You seem to be moving toward associating suffering with thought. Thought is mental activity. Mental activity is a movement. So really, I think that tr...

There is the checkered shirt, that is a physical thing. Then there is the pattern which the colours are said to be in, that is not physical. So the pa...

I can't understand the point you are trying to make here. Do you not see the difference between modeling the movement of an inanimate object, and desc...

But patterns are not physical things. Doesn't physicalism dictate that all things are physical? How can one be a physicalist and accept the existence ...