"Idealized exactness" is not "truth". The Pythagorean theorem is very true in the real world. Where we disagree is on what constitutes being true. Tha...
I did not claim that physical measurement is exact. We agree that real world measurement is necessarily imprecise. Where I disagreed is with your clai...
As I said, knowledge is a cumulative thing. Do you not agree that human beings have knowledge within themselves, instinctual knowledge, which was acqu...
The fact that you believe that mathematics deals with "idealized exactness", is the real problem. Look at the role of things like irrational numbers a...
I see no reason to agree with you. And I did read your statements. You stated a personal opinion; "there is no use in talking about 'the reason that o...
Even if you know that you will never know the answer to a specific question, you can proceed in the direction toward finding the answer, and potential...
It suddenly occurred to me today, why you are having so much trouble understanding. It's not so much the ambiguous use of "see" which is throwing you ...
This is an important point for you to recognize. It's not in the real world, (where truth and falsity is determined by correspondence), where the Pyth...
So, your failure to recognize the distinct ways that I used "see", which I explained over and over again, constitutes contradiction on my part. OK, I ...
The philosophical mind has the desire to know. So such statements are very unphilosophical. What I find is the biggest problem with the materialist vi...
No, you've got that wrong. The Pythagorean theorem is true in the real world, because it works well and has been proven. Where it is false is in your ...
What kind of petty bullshit is this? Fuck you fishfry, I thought we were trying to be civil with one another. I see you've gone off the deep end alrea...
The law of gravity is the more general statement, saying all things with mass will fall down. The statement that bowling balls will fall down is more ...
No, I think we see it in exactly the way that I explained. I explained that. We see the object. The object exists as an instance of ordered parts, inh...
You didn't get the molecule analogy so I went back to the language one, I believe I used it earlier. Now you claim not to get the language one, but th...
I don't see the problem. Do you not grasp a difference between hearing people talking, and apprehending the meaning? Meaning as analogous with order, ...
I don't think the analogies are bad. That there is order inherent within the thing seen is something inferred, just like that there is meaning in the ...
I assume there are many different senses to the word "see". The word is used sometimes to refer strictly to what is sensed, and other times to what is...
I already explained in what sense we see the inherent order, and do not see it, just like when we look at an object and we see the molecules of that o...
No that's not a good interpretation. You need to respect the fact that what is being shown to the observer, as inhering within the physical thing bein...
Let me remind you. You started in the discussion with the repeated assertion "sets have no inherent order". Check this post, I think you'll see that c...
I think I said "inherent order", but I don't quite understand the point to making the difference. Of course sense perception is involved! Where have y...
I answered the question, it's just like a logical demonstration. Like when one person shows another something, and the other makes a logical inference...
There's an odd sort of reality of life which is almost a sort of paradox. The individual living being in the extreme complexity of its existence, as a...
Of course, location is intelligible, conceptual, so it's not actually sensed it's something determined by the mind, just like meaning. When you tell s...
Each person has one's own place within a society, and many of these places do not require complex philosophical thought, so there is not need to compe...
I think I've answered this about three times, so either I don't understand your question, or you don't understand my answer, or both. I told you, we d...
The way you described sets in this thread, a set is something which cannot have an identity because it has no inherent order. Therefore I cannot agree...
As per the quotes above, from Wikipedia, the mathematical notion of identical , as equal, is not consistent with the philosophical notion of identity,...
Fishfry will argue fervently that "pure mathematics" is not influenced by physics. Perhaps some mathematicians actually have no respect for physical p...
In that context, "apparent" must mean "seems". If you used "apparent" to mean "perceived by the senses", I would say that you had stated an oxymoron. ...
The apparent order is made up, a created order, assigned to the group of things, so it is not perceived, it is produced by the mind. Why not? The orde...
Yes, you see the object along with the order which inheres within, meaning you see the order, you just do not apprehend it. Consider the dots, we see ...
I don't see any problem with those quotes. As I said, the order is right there, in the object, as shown by the object, and seen by you, as you actuall...
If you see now, that the entire time, I was talking about the order which inheres within the thing itself, as "inherent order", rather than some perce...
Right, this principle has a long tradition, it goes back at leas to Aristotle, with the law of identity, so it is definitely not based in Kant. Kant h...
I don't use that distinction as the basis for my argument, I gave that distinction as an example which i thought you might be able to understand. Come...
Strictly speaking, when we make correct computations in arithmetic, the results are logically valid. Following correct procedure results in a valid co...
I don't know if Kant ever said, but it's pretty obvious how intention must fit in. No, sorry I must have made a mistake, or perhaps you just misunders...
Intention is an integral part of the phenomenal system, the world as it appears to us, as the fulfillment of our wants and needs have shaped the way t...
Right, inherent order, which I classed as noumenal, appears to be spatial-temporal. But the type of ordering which fishfry demonstrated to me, orderin...
Of course, that's why we have to acknowledge the difference between the order we say that a group of things has, and the inherent order of that group ...
I changed my mind on that days ago, when fishfry offered an ordering based on best. Then we moved along to "inherent order". Right, I cannot say what ...
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