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A very expensive book.

gikehef947 June 18, 2021 at 14:14 7700 views 63 comments
Yesterday I met an editor who showed me a contemporary book on metaphysics priced at 85,000 euros (= $ 100,880.5500). Only 25 copies have been printed and 7 have been sold so far this year. I will not talk about the content, because I could barely read any of its 500 pages. But who can afford to buy something like this, even if it is a masterpiece? Would anyone be willing to pay that amount for something like that? Why?
Capitalism is evil

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Nils Loc June 18, 2021 at 23:12 #552944
Quoting gikehef947
Would anyone be willing to pay that amount for something like that? Why?


You know why. If you have more money than god you can diversify your asset basket in all kinds of fun luxuriant ways. Maybe you can own a few fractions of something stupid yourself, like a piece of energy devouring void (NFT), as a hedge against inflation... because fear tells you to diversify to keep up with the Joneses. There is never enough and you have to run to keep up. Or the heart wants what the heart wants.

Are you not a collector yourself? What is hiding in your closet? What blips and dots of an equity monster is writhing in your retirement account, squeezing the blood from human like organisms? A piece of the Amazon... Why spend $1000 dollars on a sofa when you can sit on the floor. Why spend $800 on a mattress when you could just sleep on a futon? Why rent a house for $3000/month when you can assemble a tent under an overpass on the urban outskirts.












Sir2u June 19, 2021 at 04:53 #553164
Quoting gikehef947
Capitalism is evil


Wait a couple of weeks and you will be able to download the PDF from Demoniod. :wink:
Sir2u June 19, 2021 at 04:56 #553165
Quoting Nils Loc
Why rent a house for $3000/month when you can assemble a tent under an overpass on the urban outskirts.


Well that sounds like fun. We will have $2950 a month to spend on booze, and the ladies. Or maybe just the booze, safer maybe.
gikehef947 June 19, 2021 at 07:29 #553207
Reply to Nils Loc
An apartment, a bed, a mattress, a kitchen, a washing machine, a refrigerator ... are things that have immediate utility. You enjoy them. But what leads someone to buy such an expensive book (and also metaphysics)? It is crazy.

Reply to Sir2u
When a book is expensive enough, it is not shared, because the price gets cheaper.
Metaphysician Undercover June 20, 2021 at 01:37 #553659
Metaphysics is much more valuable than that. It's priceless.
Sir2u June 20, 2021 at 04:26 #553781
Quoting gikehef947
When a book is expensive enough, it is not shared, because the price gets cheaper.


When something is expensive enough, someone will make a knock off, photocopy or just photos of it and sell it cheaper. It is the content that is valuable, not the book itself, And they don't care about the value of the original.

Fun fact of the day, pirating happens.
Metaphysician Undercover June 20, 2021 at 10:57 #553903
Quoting Sir2u
It is the content that is valuable,


Reply to gikehef947

So, who's the author?
gikehef947 June 20, 2021 at 17:37 #554075
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover
The publisher called him Habib (?). Who is Habib? Does anyone know a metaphysician named Habib? An Arab, I guess. I knew of the existence of very expensive pictorial works. Nobody sells a Degas work, because of inflation. It is a stable value. But it is the first time that I find a limited edition of 25 copies of a book. It's crazy.
Book273 June 23, 2021 at 12:39 #555499
Reply to gikehef947 Does your expensive work have a title? Depending on the content the price might be an amazing deal. I would drop $100,000.00 for the right information any day of the week.
Sir2u June 23, 2021 at 23:28 #555844
Quoting Book273
I would drop $100,000.00 for the right information any day of the week.


Do you work for the KGB or something like that?
Book273 July 01, 2021 at 05:07 #559520
Quoting Sir2u
Do you work for the KGB or something like that?


No. But dropping $100,000 for some of the answers I am looking for would be a basement level bargain. So again, what is the title of this book? Finding 100k isn't all that hard.
Sir2u July 02, 2021 at 02:12 #560021
Quoting Book273
But dropping $100,000 for some of the answers I am looking for would be a basement level bargain.


Unless I can see that there are opportunities to make a lot more, I will skip.

Quoting Book273
Finding 100k isn't all that hard.


Yeah, definitely. Err well no, it is hard.
Book273 July 02, 2021 at 02:40 #560024
Reply to Sir2u Not if you are motivated. It's only 100k
gikehef947 July 07, 2021 at 07:46 #562499
Reply to Book273
It will have a title. I would call it the Maltese Falcon, because it is too expensive, even if it deserves it. A book is not a bag of gold coins.
jgill July 07, 2021 at 23:30 #562933
Quoting gikehef947
It will have a title.


I thought it already had one? The mystery deepens.

If a bitcoin can go from $40 to $50,000 in a couple of years anything is possible.
gikehef947 July 08, 2021 at 07:38 #563100
Reply to jgill
The world has gone mad ... or always was.
Olivier5 July 08, 2021 at 15:09 #563256
Reply to gikehef947 If the pages are made of gold, I don't see the problem...
Book273 July 09, 2021 at 21:01 #564121
Quoting gikehef947
The world has gone mad ... or always was.


It's a matter of perspective. I have seen paintings that look like they were painted by a colour-blind drunk sell for millions of dollars. A page from the Guttenberg Bible sells for $250,000.00 I would love to get a chance to look over this book... maybe add it to my library.
gikehef947 July 10, 2021 at 12:48 #564357
Reply to Book273
I don't know anything else. The information escaped a bookbinder's assistant. She was a bit drunk. When I asked out of curiosity, she was fired, ergo ...
jgill July 12, 2021 at 03:31 #565450
Quoting gikehef947
The information escaped a bookbinder's assistant. She was a bit drunk. When I asked out of curiosity, she was fired, ergo ...


The plot thickens . . .
Book273 July 12, 2021 at 10:38 #565623
Reply to gikehef947 Ah well. I will save my money for awhile longer then.
gikehef947 July 12, 2021 at 11:26 #565650
Reply to Book273
Paying a fortune for a jewel seems outrageous to me, but I get it. Paying a fortune for a painting, the same. But paying € 85,000 for a book (metaphysics!?) Is crazy. If you have that much money, donate to Greenpeace or adopt a child. It is not a matter of perspective.
Book273 July 12, 2021 at 11:31 #565651
Reply to gikehef947 Absolutely it is based on perspective. I will do what I like with my money. If the book has appropriate meaning to me, it is worth the money. If I think it is trash then I will keep my money. I could pile my cash up and burn it if I found it amusing enough. Although that would be highly unlikely, even less likely than spending 100k on a book. But I have a few $10000.00 books and consider the money well spent. And no hideous paintings by seeming alcoholics, so clearly I have different values than others.

I am eyeing up a lovely book for my wife, current asking price is $35,000.00 It would look quite nice in the library.
gikehef947 July 13, 2021 at 11:46 #566229
Reply to Book273
I can not believe it. The world has gone to hell.
Primperan July 13, 2021 at 16:21 #566361
Reply to gikehef947
I just signed up to tell you something: you must be a very young person. There are more things in heaven and on earth than your philosophy imagines, little Marxist.
Book273 July 20, 2021 at 09:33 #569736
Quoting gikehef947
The world has gone to hell.


Because I choose to use my money for something that I find valuable and not for something that you agree with? That is a very egocentric method for determining going to hell.

I agree that the world is exceedingly disappointing currently, but it has nothing to do with book prices or what people choose to do with their money. I find our general culture of fear and rights violating far more concerning than what people do with their money. Media will lead us to hell on earth, no doubt about that in my mind, but really, do what you like with your money, that's why it is your money afterall.
Ying July 21, 2021 at 20:16 #570223
Quoting gikehef947
Yesterday I met an editor who showed me a contemporary book on metaphysics priced at 85,000 euros (= $ 100,880.5500). Only 25 copies have been printed and 7 have been sold so far this year. I will not talk about the content, because I could barely read any of its 500 pages.


PDF link? j/k
gikehef947 August 09, 2021 at 11:18 #577819
Quoting Book273
I find our general culture of fear and rights violating far more concerning than what people do with their money.


Is the same.
I know the editor. He is a ruthless capitalist. That book will be in the public domain when frogs breed hair. The book he sells is written in Spanish. When do you think he will translate it into English if he makes enough money publishing a handful of books in Spanish?
One guy trades in gold or diamonds. This I can admit. They are stupid goods for stupid people. But a guy who traffics in cultural property, be it science articles or philosophy treatises... well, it is something inadmissible.
Culture must be in the public domain.

Reply to Primperan
You must be very foolish, little Shakespeare.
Book273 August 09, 2021 at 21:25 #577995
Reply to gikehef947 I can learn Spanish easily enough. Language is not a problem. I would like to view a copy before breaking out the money though.
gikehef947 August 10, 2021 at 22:28 #578407
Reply to Book273
I am not going to help you. What you want to do is against my principles.
Book273 August 10, 2021 at 23:46 #578440
Reply to gikehef947 No worries there, I will find it eventually if it is worth finding. Not sure what you were expecting posting the OP though: people would either be interested in the book, regardless of price, or not interested. If you were expecting a horrified "That's too expensive!!" consider this: a single page from the Guttenberg Bible sells for $250,000.00 One page.

Also, what is worth that kind of money to you?
Primperan August 11, 2021 at 10:36 #578562
Quoting gikehef947
I am not going to help you. What you want to do is against my principles.


What arrogance! I never know if you are Marxists for being arrogant or you are arrogant for being Marxists.
gikehef947 August 11, 2021 at 17:29 #578630
Quoting Book273
If you were expecting a horrified "That's too expensive!!" consider this: a single page from the Guttenberg Bible sells for $250,000.00 One page


For whom? I wouldn't give a cent for the whole book. Also, find out, it is in free pdf.

Quoting Primperan
What arrogance! I never know if you are Marxists for being arrogant or you are arrogant for being Marxists.


And I don't know if you are so daring for being ignorant or so ignorant for being so daring. Dickhead.
Primperan August 12, 2021 at 11:03 #578891
Quoting gikehef947
And I don't know if you are so daring for being ignorant or so ignorant for being so daring. Dickhead.


I'm shaking.

All right, smart guy. That book, if it exists, will be traceable. We know that:
1. The title will be Habib's Metaphysics or something like that.
2. The Author will be of Arabic origin, but he has written in Spanish.
3. The edition of that book is very limited.
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3. There are only three places in the world where producing this type of valuable object is profitable: USA, Germany and Japan.
2. Immigrants from Spain, Turkey, Pakistan and Syria have converged for generations in Germany.
4. Germany has next to home: the Freeport Luxembourg, where there are no taxes and customs fees do not exist, and the Geneva.
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I bet the editor is probably German.
(With a little help of reddit)
gikehef947 August 13, 2021 at 09:05 #579249
Reply to Primperan
You get high, right?
Primperan August 23, 2021 at 17:58 #583453
Reply to gikehef947
My heart is crying out of grief and pain.
Primperan September 25, 2021 at 11:29 #600243
Reply to gikehef947
The book exists.
The author too. His name is Adel Habib. Lebanese. Phoenician.
The first book sold for € 25,000. The seventh book, for € 85,000. The book was later discontinued.
The publisher is an American based in Kaiserslautern. His name is Harry Pross.
I have the email addresses.
What do you think, smartass?
gikehef947 September 26, 2021 at 14:33 #600665
Reply to Primperan
Well. You seem informed. But Pross did not cancel the edition of the book. It so happened that a single buyer bought the remaining 18 books and bought back some of the others that had already been sold. He made his move. The guy sucks. He hijacked the book.
Primperan January 05, 2022 at 09:17 #638981
Reply to Book273
I have the book. I have acquired the editing rights. It's really good. I need an American publisher. See if you are interested in editing it there.
Book273 January 05, 2022 at 10:21 #638992
Reply to Primperan If Canada works for you then I am interested in editing it. I may be enticed to go stateside for a sabbatical if that is the only way to have a read of this book. My interest is piqued.
Book273 January 05, 2022 at 11:34 #639015
Reply to gikehef947 I found a lovely 1480 first edition, Gulden Throene, listing for $215,010.67. (US) Beautiful book. Not really an area I am overly interested in, but still a really nice piece.
Primperan January 05, 2022 at 16:51 #639120
Reply to Book273
Okay. I am sending you the email of the author: [email protected]
Ask for his personal email there, because that email gets a lot of spam due to the fact that it matches the name of a Jordanian audit firm.
Book273 January 08, 2022 at 17:09 #640167
Reply to Primperan Sweet! Thanks
gikehef947 January 12, 2022 at 18:15 #641982
Quoting Book273
I found a lovely 1480 first edition, Gulden Throene, listing for $215,010.67. (US) Beautiful book. Not really an area I am overly interested in, but still a really nice piece.


Tell me what you boasts and I'll tell you what you lack!

Quoting Primperan
I have the book. I have acquired the editing rights. It's really good. I need an American publisher. See if you are interested in editing it there.


You should distribute the book freely. I have written to the author to prevent him from of scammers. The book publishers will march behind the harlots into the kingdom of heaven.
MAYAEL January 15, 2022 at 16:52 #643442
The only expensive books I've seen were magik related and not even in print or publicly available and cost thousands of dollars and I understand why but other then that I can't see a book being worth much other then the expensive materials it's made out of
Primperan January 16, 2022 at 22:43 #643970
Reply to MAYAEL
It depends. A book can have artistic or documentary value. The work of Descartes that you find in any library is not the same as the book that Roosevelt used to read. The object may be the same, but the documentary value is not. The Discourse on the Method that belongs to Roosevelt has a market value of €50,000.
Primperan January 20, 2022 at 18:53 #645672
Quoting gikehef947
You should distribute the book freely. I have written to the author to prevent him from of scammers. The book publishers will march behind the harlots into the kingdom of heaven.


You have done well, although the rights to his work belongs to me and I purchased the few copies the last publisher sold. The good thing about a great unrecognized author is that no one bids enough for him!

:joke:
gikehef947 January 21, 2022 at 10:30 #645971
Reply to Primperan
If an author is good enough, he should be known by as wide an audience as possible.
Primperan January 21, 2022 at 16:26 #646054
Quoting gikehef947
If an author is good enough, he should be known by as wide an audience as possible.


Life is hard. First duty of a human being is to survive. Second, is to live to the best of his ability. Marx said it: in society everyone sells their work. He wrote "sell" not "give gifts".
gikehef947 January 23, 2022 at 09:05 #646729
Reply to Primperan
He also speaks of use value, exchange value and surplus value stolen by those who do not produce anything.
Primperan January 23, 2022 at 18:51 #646844
Quoting gikehef947
He also speaks of use value, exchange value and surplus value stolen by those who do not produce anything.


Supply and demand fluctuate. Getting people interested in acquiring a metaphysics book is a job. Often, a dirty work.
gikehef947 January 24, 2022 at 10:57 #647094
Reply to Primperan
A good book might cost $20, but whichever way you look at it, $25,000 is a SCAM.
Primperan January 24, 2022 at 15:20 #647142
Quoting gikehef947
A good book might cost $20, but whichever way you look at it, $25,000 is a SCAM.


Most people are not interested in philosophy. They prefer to watch the NBA. You must not think of the majority. The big publishers sell books like bricks. An excellent product requires an excellent seller and an excellent consumer. That costs money. If you have to do a numbered, limited edition for 25 people, it's always better than doing it for the crowd. Whatever the price.

gikehef947 January 25, 2022 at 11:32 #647432
Reply to Primperan
There is no way that people are interested in a subject that is beyond their financial means. You contribute to the ignorance of the majority.
Primperan January 25, 2022 at 17:36 #647531
Quoting gikehef947
There is no way that people are interested in a subject that is beyond their financial means. You contribute to the ignorance of the majority.


People are not interested in cultural goods. Arustóteles did not write for everybody, but for the enlightened public. You have a very naive concept of your fellow men. You must be very young.
gikehef947 January 26, 2022 at 09:23 #647843
Reply to Primperan
People cannot be interested in culture if cultural goods are inaccessible.
Primperan January 26, 2022 at 14:33 #647913
Quoting gikehef947
People cannot be interested in culture if cultural goods are inaccessible.


People are not interested in culture. People are more interested in the NBA or the butts of the Kardashian sisters. The world was always like this. Stinks. Three months before Spinoza died, she had a visitor. Who? Leibniz. Only Leibniz was interested in approaching the genius of The Hague when he learned that he was seriously ill. No one approached except another exceptional figure. Read Mathew Stewart's book, The Courtier and the Heretic.

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This man deserved to have a better fortune... and a better publisher.

gikehef947 January 27, 2022 at 09:34 #648255
Reply to Primperan
Let's go to a practical case. How much is a copy of Abel Habib's Metaphysics going to cost?
Primperan January 28, 2022 at 09:30 #648557
Quoting gikehef947
I am not going to help you. What you want to do is against my principles.


It depends. What price would you put on Spinoza's "Ethics" if there were only 25 copies in the world?

gikehef947 January 28, 2022 at 17:40 #648690
Reply to Primperan
Don't answer a question with another question. How much?
Primperan January 29, 2022 at 09:30 #648920
Quoting gikehef947
Don't answer a question with another question. How much?


It will only be sold in Switzerland and Germany.
There will be 24 unique books. The starting price will be €499979 (= $557897).
Thank you for providing us with the initial information.
gikehef947 January 30, 2022 at 15:46 #649350
Reply to Primperan
Ok. How much money will the author receive?
Primperan February 01, 2022 at 13:04 #650119
Quoting gikehef947
Ok. How much money will the author receive?


1/3.
How did you hear about this author's book? Adel Habib is used to using heteronyms. Like Pessoa.

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