If some of this is relevant to the points I've made, then provide some quotes or references. Otherwise what's the point in mentioning something which ...
Maybe consider that those ordinary concepts are not composed of rules at all. It's possible that when we see non-ordinary concepts like mathematics as...
I'm a philosopher, my game is to analyze and criticize the rules of other games. This is a matter of interpretation. If you do not like that, then why...
In the Aristotelian scheme, matter is characterized as potential, and form is actual. And of course both are real aspects of reality, with a qualifica...
You do not seem to be grasping the problem. If a set is characterized by its elements, there is no such thing as an empty set. No elements, no set. Do...
When. after repeated attempts, the rules are apprehended as impossible to understand, due to the appearance of inconsistency and incoherency, the best...
It's not trivial, because it's a demonstration of what "specified" means. If you specify that the guests are all human, then clearly that is a specifi...
I don't see that as a trivial point, because not only is "set" undefined, but also "element" is undefined. So we have a vicious circle which makes it ...
OED: specify, "to name or mention". Clearly the set you called "V" is not unspecified, and it's you who wants to change the meaning "specify" to suit ...
I like the way that Plato introduces the idea of agency in relation to harmony, at 92c, where he has Socrates say: "How will you harmonize this statem...
That's what I see as the principal issue. Evidence is derived from "our" universe, and we generally do not allow conflicting evidence as this is contr...
It appears to me, like you refuse to accept that agency is an essential part of harmony, and that Socrates' description of harmony, as something produ...
That's right, to specify that they are real numbers is to specify, just like to specify that the guests at the hotel are human beings is to specify. T...
You might place the agency within, as immanent, but the main point is the lack of agency in Simmias' argument. And, when agency is accounted for the a...
You are specifying "the real numbers". How is this not a specification? Actually, you're wrong, your set is clearly a specified set. This is not true,...
At 86 is how Simmias describes what you translate as "tuning". At 94 is where Socrates corrects Simmias,.with a more true description of "tuning", as ...
Do you not grasp the "ing" suffix on "tuning"? The ratio of frequencies, according to which something is tuned is the principle, or rules, applied in ...
Another example of the division between mathematics and philosophy. But the Wikipedia entry is consistent with the SEP.. You two just seem to twist ar...
I already explained how this interpretation is faulty. "The tuning" is the act which tunes. It is not visible in the tuned instrument because it is pr...
"We might construct..." In other words, if we allow that anything goes, then we are able to do anything, so we might also be capable of doing everythi...
This is Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy on infinite regress. "An infinite regress is a series of appropriately related elements with a first membe...
I don't think this is quite what he is saying. In fact, this is the problematic perspective which Plato believed needs to be clarified. Think about wh...
I'm not reverting back. Just because I understand better what I didn't understand as well before, doesn't mean that I am now bound to accept the princ...
Right, each part needs to be ordered, towards one end, purpose, function, or whatever you want to call it. Each particular has a specific role within ...
To make infinite numbers into a circle is to make a vicious circle. It is to say that the beginning is the same as the end. And this is what allows fo...
No, Socrates argument is not based on a pre-existing soul, as I explained. First he demonstrates the faults of Simmias' position. Then he demonstrates...
Obviously, "2" refers to two distinct and different things. If there was only one thing we'd have to use "1". Again, this is the difference between fi...
These two ideas, that there is such a thing as the soul, and that each part of the body is itself a "self-organizing" entity, is what Socrates demonst...
Saying that the soul is like a harmony, or attunement, is to assume that there is such a thing as "the soul" which is being talked about. .Socrates si...
Socrates' argument is that the soul is not like a harmony, it is more like the cause of the harmony. That's right, Socrates' argument doesn't depend o...
You write very well. That must be why I like to engage with you, not that I want to troll you. Yes that' the mathematical Platonism I reject. I believ...
A harmony is a group of notes played together, like a chord, which are judged as sounding good. This is why I do not like your interpretation of the w...
I didn't know that, but it makes the problems which I've apprehended much more understandable. If everything is a set, in set theory, then infinite re...
The second is always true regardless of the instrument. That's what I've been explaining to you, the temporal aspect of Socrates' argument. The harmon...
That is what you said. You said the phrase, "We should not use 'least' if we don't mean quantity" is incorrect. I asked, if you don't mean some sort o...
OK, this makes more sense than what you told me in the other post, that one "precedes" the other. You are explaining that one is a part of the other, ...
OK Tones, explain to me then what "least" means in "the mathematical sense", if it is not a quantitative term. It can't be "purely symbolic" in the co...
It appears to me, like you're totally missing Socrates' argument. There is no such thing as "more or less in tune". Either the waves are in sync or th...
No, I think you misinterpret this. I say it's "your" bijective equivalence, because you are the one proposing it, not I. So "yours" is in relation to ...
In other words, you agree that it's incorrect to say that ordinals are logically prior to cardinals. That is, unless you are just trying to hide a vic...
The argument is not about universals. It is a question of whether the activity required to produce, or create, an organized system of parts (the harmo...
Well then it's incorrect to say that ordinality is logically prior to cardinality. If there is already cardinality inherent within ordinality then the...
Isn't this circular? Doesn't "least" already imply cardinality, such that cardinality is already inherent within the ordinals, to allow the designatio...
This is why the immaterial soul is prior to the material body. Wayfarer's point explains why we must conclude that the immaterial soul is prior to the...
But a lyre does need to be tuned. It doesn't magically tune itself, and if used, it rapidly goes out of tune. So there is a very clear need to assume ...
Yes, and the belief that the soul is like a particular lyre being in tune (a harmony), is the belief which Socrates dismisses as faulty. So the fact t...
I think you're using "necessary" in a way different from how the classical theologians used it. God is said to be necessary in the sense of "required ...
This is strangely worded. If it is true that the act of tuning is what causes the lyre to be tuned, then it contradicts this to say "The tuning does n...
Well, I don't think this is really true. There are principles to be followed in tuning the instrument, but the tuning itself is dependent on hearing t...
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