Fire Ologist

None. We are bodies. If God had no relation to the empirical world, God would have no use for us, and we would have no use for God and no reason to se...

This is a contradiction. If no one privately owns anything, no one is in a position to share anything. If we make everything free, we need to take eve...

Gate-keeping rebuttals to disagreement. I think a big part of it is that Wittgenstein gutted metaphysics (the gutting starting with Hume, and Kant, th...

Personally, I do think God thinks each one of us is that important. I think he died for me, and my sins (not even something good I did). And for each ...

You are right. I guess I was eluding to my debate tactic, that Wittgenstein himself provided for us: even Wittgenstein understood arguing Wittgenstein...

“My propositions serve as elucidations in the following way: anyone who understands me eventually recognizes them as nonsensical when he has used them...

It’s where things resist even identity, ever undetermined, questioning “thing” itself. I get indeterminacy, and agree, it can be called “lack of settl...

So you just think God is not fully or always accurately reflected in the Bible. Well I just say good for you! You have God too! You see the hugeness o...

For sake of inquiry, Look for “something real”, that later gives rise to the words "religion" or "God", but not yet. Great metaphysical question for t...

I’ll assume I am not understanding you and start over. You are claiming to show that: I see 4 distinct things where I may be misunderstanding your usa...

The other antelopes do. The lions do. The vultures do. The bacteria do. The grass does.

Yes, because a logical argument has to show something multiple third parties can use to see the same thing, to see whatever is the conclusion of the a...

I know you’re merely clarifying a finer distinction with Vera, and who the atheists and the believer(s) are here, and maybe I’m misreading things, but...

I like the attempt, and I’m a believer in God, but this argument basically means “because I experienced God, I know God is true.” That argument only w...

I agree with that. I wouldn’t say unfortunately. It’s more like, unfortunately, we humans ruminate about and dramatize every little spark of the nervo...

Do you believe in God? You seem to say Genesis is a lie about God, and you capitalize God. We can’t talk about what God means in the Bible if you don’...

Therefore question should not be asked, or else “silly” is meaningless.

That undercuts everything you just said about valuing. Is it self-serving or object relational? Is valuing real or not??

I think we are skirting the question of “what is a ‘value’?”or “what does ‘valuing’ mean?” or “how does ‘valuing’ happen or function?” We are providin...

So if everything in the Bible was made consistent and syllogistic for you, would you still call it a fairy tale? And you set the contradiction up with...

But isn’t making “good or bad” in the living for us? Isn’t “good” for humans like birds chirping for birds? Why place “good or bad”, that we make, on ...

So by breathing, they have already shown they value breathing. Or more simply put, by acting, we display our values, like the yeast acting upon sugar....

Not to quibble on the details, I basically agree with you. I think most of us won't be going right to any paradise or heaven. We wouldn't understand h...

If we are talking fairy tales, we can say anything we want, so any attempt at a conversation about something real is moot. But I'll take that as an ho...

“Yeast values sugar”. I disagree. An act of valuing, is an act only a person can do. That’s not what valuing means. And any suicide doesn’t value brea...

We can value anything, and everything, or nothing. This conversation is nowhere else in the universe but in our minds here together. Doesn’t mean we a...

Welcome to the forum. Any honest question is not a stupid one. No reason to ever feel shame for asking a question, or else we should all feel shame. A...

Unrepented - that is the key. Do we really need to blame God for hell? You do something you know is wrong (regardless of whatever rule you think exist...

I have a degree in Philosoophy and a post grad degree as well, I’m not the least bit superstitious (way more interested in a scientific explanation fo...

But it wasn’t just a moment. It happens everyday, by each of us. It’s a story constructed to tell me who I am now. It wasn’t bad to put clothes on. It...

We’re all fumbling around in the same cave. With some good company.

I get it, one can read hatred of the Jews into it. Many do. Too many who call themselves Christians do. But that’s not what I come away with at all - ...

I see it as constructed, but objective or innate in that we can agree that what we each construct sometimes agrees. Agreement has good inherent in it,...

Couldn’t you say that the innate in conscience is where the good is gleaned, where the good is constructed? This still doesn’t say what the good is. S...

This is all meant as a reply to the OP. The quotes are my sources and citations. Because they lay out enough moving parts to make the point. I agree. ...

You want a personal invitation. I’m not capable of showing you God. I hope you keep looking.

Pretend? He took his shot. It’s done. We know enough what to make of our own end from here. And it’s not a cracker. That would be silly. It’s a wafer.

So you take the position of God then - leave us to figure out what to do for ourselves. The lonely way is the only way. Should I have crackers or mayb...

I know. You’ve had plenty of opportunity to pillory my viewpoint, but keep things cordial and conversational anyway. And I’ve probably asked for a goo...

You’re just being grumpy.

I admit I can’t demonstrate anything I understand from the story of Jesus as some sort of argument. I admit the story is as far-fetched as it is incom...

Manner of speaking. Hmm. Yes we cannot speak at all without the real. You said becoming is real. You said mind is becoming. So you posited “is” as if ...

I see it as with everything authentic about whatever god there is, as the most absurd, leaving nothing left to be said, able to fill us with wonder ev...

We always had, and probably always will have, sects, and gangs and mobs, the participants in identity politics. I agree - damn all the sectarian. Just...

You’re right. Tom S pointed that out to me above. I was speaking more to the illogic of someone claiming that necessarily God cannot exist. So point t...

I love the idea. But if there were two all-powerful beings, wouldn’t the power of one be a limit on the power of the other, so that there were no all-...

That makes sense but is it absolute? Our abilities to “search” are certainly limited. Must there be no things that exist for which searchable predicat...

Distinguishing “beliefs” from the objects the beliefs are about (such as a self), and distinguishing these from “illusions” are all just illusory “dis...

Hey Enoah. But further, by saying this, it is a fact for you, me and all minds - so we know something objective about minding. We can’t escape the obj...

My mistake. I agree with you here - my sense of what I call “self” is a sense of something that can be distinguished in experience. I agree here too. ...