That is true when trying to grasp the identity of anything. Everything is moving. So I’m not disagreeing with you, but I would not conclude from the d...
Perfectly rational position to take from my standpoint. Then I stand corrected. Atheism is not illogical. I guess I meant people who “know” there is n...
I voted yes. That doesn’t mean it is logical to believe in God, but that is not what you asked. It just means that, as a thinking being, there is no r...
You have mind one over here, and mind two over there. If they are to share anything at all between them, they need some object to share. We don’t get ...
My closest vote would be “no”. You said: I assume you assumed that it is a mind or at least a human consciousness that would claim to know anything at...
I answered I’m willing to question evolution, but I am just as willing to assume it. Evolution makes sense and follows from all current evidence. It h...
Hey Count. I totally agree with that. It’s why I went with the OP analogy to get into objectivity versus relativity in ethics. Modern philosophy puts ...
So Five Guys versus McD’s is like yes or no to abortion, euthanasia, maybe lying, maybe stealing, maybe bullying, etc. - the more debatable, culturall...
The self is a curious thing. It cannot be a thing because if it were it would be becoming a thing, and so not yet a thing; but yet it is me myself tha...
That’s a meaningless statement if you can’t know anything. Why did you say “really”? What’s real? That sounds like certainty speak. As soon as we beli...
I don’t think you can explain it. By definition, explanations are illusions. It would also be funny if the self was real, and we ourselves didn’t know...
According everything else you are saying, no it’s not. Are we right? The way a bowl of shit is distinct for us or a bowl of food? When I concoct a fic...
Ok, so no distinction whatsoever between Abe Lincoln and Mary Poppins and “me” and “you.” I’ll go with it for now. About distinctions existing indepen...
I’m trying to talk about signification, with the launching pad of the signifier “self”. Images and poetry can signify so I’m not sure of what I’m sayi...
I hope you enjoy the volleying. I agree speaking is constructing, and I agree it travels lightly and vanishes. I agree. I see these in my experience t...
You are drawing a distinction between the moon, and the word “moon”. I’m saying you don’t get the moon in the first place for you to construct “moon” ...
Analogies are like the clay of a vase, and words are its particular tall vase shape. I can tell you are in the same place as me. This is a deep corner...
I appreciate that. Let me know if, though I’m using my own words, if it sounds like someone who follows what are saying. I see a mirage of a tree. The...
I was hoping to asses the content of your thoughts on the book, or really your thoughts on the subject of the true nature of the self. Don’t you mean ...
Well that settles it. Illusion means seeming as opposed to being. “Self seems…” is better than “self is…” because self is not and only seems to be. Ri...
Do you understand it? Honestly I’m wondering if you are asking me to read it so I can explain to you how a “product” and “a constellation” is not an “...
“…is really a constellation…” “…emerge as a product…” These contradict the statement: Instead of “I” and “we”, the pronoun is still “it” so something ...
You ask me for evidence of reincarnation etc. You are the one who in the OP said resurrection and reincarnation, and immortal. Not me. Did you read wh...
Instead of from the solipsistic point of view, why not look for this “self” from the opposite point of view? Instead of looking for your own “self”, y...
The self feels like an entity to what, or to whom? Even if it were a process, that process would be something, and therefore not be an illusion. I thi...
Another interesting post. And citing Augustine from way back there in history shows this great question we still ask has been there for humans to ask ...
Always a great question. I would have voted for 4 but you added “…and unknowable. To posit “most of us” there must be a quantity of distinct things fi...
That is the logic of it. Or more clearly, if you don’t know the will of god, and sin is going against the will of god, then you cannot knowingly go ag...
Well as Christ hung on a tree dying, looking down on the men who crucified him there, he said “Forgive them father, for they know not what they do.” S...
The OP asked for arguments for and against Vegetarianism. This thread spiraled quickly into killing for food. I’m in favor of all kinds of eating. The...
Anything we people do can involve a moral decision. Even writing a post might intentionally, with malice of forethought, just waste precious time. Goi...
We are animals too. — Fire Ologist I feel like I'm being corrected here, sarcastically scolded, like you might claim my position inferior to your supe...
Truth happens in the nothing. I do think truth is solely in the mind, so happening in non-material. Truth is truth of some thing in the something. Hei...
This is all spot on to me, grappling with the exact observation I’m trying to make about being in the middle and how we can proceed to talk about it, ...
Interesting conversation here. I think I’m realizing why my favorite existentialists were always Nietzsche and Camus. Nietzsche was the most metaphysi...
Not from Heidegger, but I see that it doesn’t contradict Heidegger. But yes, we need the fixed object to trace movement, but at the same time we need ...
Kind words. I appreciate you are giving this a good hearing, and I’m grateful as well. And honestly, I think we are so close, the differences may not ...
Hmm. I don’t think everything is meaningless. So I’m giving you the wrong impression. Camus’ answer is that it becomes absurd to seek answers where an...
My gospels used to be (some maybe still) Heraclitus, Plato/Aristotle, Nietzsche and the others, and then Kant of course (but must visit Hume, Descarte...
I am painting too stark a picture, even for existentialism, but just to highlight the point. The absurd becomes the standard. If you are doing somethi...
I never said Camus was a nihilist. I don’t really even know what nihilism means. I see why people attach nihilism to existentialism, but the existenti...
This thread seems like a scattered mess. Are we asking whether people eating meat is ethical, whether ethics is something that humans can apply to the...
Hi Jussi. I always found the metaphysics (so to speak) in existentialism much more compelling than the ethics. So I basically agree with you. I’d say ...
I think we see the same thing, but are talking about the differences. I agree with you again that there is a “never the twain shall meet” in view. But...
Yes, I’m not speaking about any particular mythology, or even necessarily God. (I did use dead grandma to make the same point.) I’m saying if there wa...
If becoming is like surfing on a wave, being stands still on the beach. Becoming captures motion pictures; being is a snapshot. That is one way to lea...
What is a word? To ask this you already have to have the answer. ‘What’ is a word. So you can’t ask what a word is without knowing what a word is, wit...
That says a lot. Identity is merely, needs lines that are blurred. So you have both the clarity of identity, and you do not have this clarity because ...
I think we’re looking at the same thing, same moment or place, and you are seeing more than I’m saying, so maybe not seeing exactly what I’m trying to...
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