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Let me try this analogy and then I'll leave you to it, sorry. Assuming our "normal" human experience is Real, and unknown to you, you woke up wearing ...

I don't know it. Looked it up. It looks interesting. If it turns out to share my heretofore narrative, it wouldn't surprise me at all. There's probabl...

Me too. I too use analogies as "a finger pointing at the moon," not at all purported to be the moon itself. I wasn't actually saying your analogy is f...

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There is no "you" being uploaded. that's the point of the OP. Without the Body to sense, feel and act, it would be empty code uploaded into an even mo...

You realize I too disagree, right? I'm not attacking. Just clarifying. So did a beavers dam, but the beaver doesn't falsely identify it as a real exte...

That might well be exactly what I'm saying, adding, the mirage yet serves a function. E.g., it drives me onward with the hope of its shade/it torments...

If "illusion" is even the best word*, the illusion isn't as to its existence nor its function. It is this intuition we all undeniably have about it, s...

Yes, and it would be obtuse to disagree with you. However, what you expressed may not be the only, or full, representation of the so called self. But ...

I have not read every response here, so perhaps someone else has highlighted the following distinction: Regarding the self, and, for that matter, Mind...

Hah. This stands as a good example of how I need to communicate more precisely. It's hard when you follow this technique. I read a sentence, it trigge...

... Ha. Me too. As we "speak." First, thank you, in spite of your well deserved dig. Second, Ok! But still, now to satisfy entirely justifiable rules ...

First, and I happen to mean this admiringly, your words awaken already hovering suspicions that this forum is creating a very specific form of complex...

How about an afterlife, pretty much the same as this one, only without the crap, the this and that? Today Nature drives, feels, responds; why should s...

No offence taken, and I did not mean for my response to sound offended.

Fair enough, and I accept and respect that "sentiment." In fact, I'll accept your inference, for what it is worth, that I was intending to describe "m...

No. At least not in the way you might be thinking. I note: 1. The ("experience" of the so called) silent self which can be talked about, is not the si...

Yes, in spite of the emoji designed to ward off yeses. That "awareness" is the illusion too. Not even awareness in the sense we wish it to mean. It is...

I'd select 1 and 4. 1. The self with which "I" identify. The Subject, ego, the sum in Descartes, is an illusion. 4. I intuit a silent self, popularize...

If that was intended to address Midgley's notion that consciousness is not isolated to each individual, I think you are highlighting her point in your...

I agree with you that we do not know the will of God, and that we construct it. But if I understand your argument, it is that the will of God has not ...

so much so, without attributes, Nirguna, that "He" is not even a He; not a she nor a they nor an It. Ultimately, as Existence Consciousness-Bliss, Bra...

You meant to say "doesnt". Of course, it doesn't. I don't think anyone intended bonding was the source of consciousness, only that it was a place Desc...

I wasn't. I was recognizing that we are within a framework, within a framework. However your discussion above is also interesting. If, on the other ha...

Well said...within this framework.

I think Midgley makes a profound point. Below, from that "article" you referenced, I pasted a snippet. She may have been compelled by her locus in His...

Always!

I think I have a clearer lens on what you've been saying. I think if you develop your "middle" more (and who am I to say you haven't. Perhaps the Foru...

I think we're in agreement, and I am stubbornly clinging--like George Costanza clinging to nothing--to my insistence on the "never the twain shall mee...

For me, being/becoming: never the twain shall meet. (Except by illusion in becoming). I kind of see what you mean...but, I ask, was "tempering" the il...

The example below, from another post, helps to illustrate how seamlessly "true" couples with other concepts. Not so with "be". "When someone says "I k...

Yes, I see how "gap" is problematic.

Right because only being is outside of the game. Every other concept, including, in my humble opinion, value, true, and false, has references in other...

I'm not sure what other examples you have in mind, but isn't "being/to be," (and I wouldn't say existence too) special? Without giving a complex analy...

While generally I'm OK with interpreting a text outside of authorial intent, in this case it would be folly to ignore the opportunity. Here's what I r...

Very true. I did take liberty in my read. And you are correct. Thank you

Ok yes. That might be a subtlty I'm missing. That's where I'm going to direct my thinking! I'll tell you, from this discussion, I can say you are inte...

Uncanny similarities and yet some differences. I always call my version, aware-ing. Which compliments my last point about the arm reaching. I think tr...

Yes, arguably necessary for there to have been a Nietzsche, or at least, the N. being discussed. Nice This one, I stubbornly grapple with. I cannot le...

It seems no more necessary than the "first level" I.e. the hard problem itself. It's a fundamental misunderstanding or misguided approach to Conscious...

Understood. And FWIW, I currently agree It's reasonable to me. My concerns about it are directed at myself, and whether I understand the details suffi...

I apologize if I am overbearing. I have found you have insight into matters important to me. The above quotation is a good place to clarify where we d...

Ok. And I get that. Is the truth 1. The now buried source of the illusion, displaced by the illusion but lingering? 2. Is it dissolved in the illusion...

Your hypothesis is intriguing, and exceptionally presented. It seems like the entire "process" described, every level and aspect is the Organic functi...

No, that was informative. Thank you. And I get your frustration. Feels impossible sometimes to address such multilayered complexities in a narrow time...

And therein lies the "resolution" to your unresolvable paradox, right? You are judging how it stands up to logic. If nothing is absolute, neither is l...

Interesting. I had that hunch but didn't know it was commonly regarded.

How did you settle finally upon the so called decision to drink water? You say you wanted to. Did your body receive organic triggers driving you to fe...

Acknowledged. You gave an excellent explanation given space/time, and the aforementioned caveat. I would assume, an "orthodox" one as well (recognizin...

And, yes to the "weirdly" reject Hedonism. S-theory, I will look up.