I liked your thoughts. I go further. Underlying my conception was something akin to your criminal. But even Kant's "improvement" is in the end, as you...
Very interesting. Although it is omnipresent, I'm still amazed when two alien paths converge. The essence of our thoughts, if I'm not mistaken, is the...
If I understand correctly, the "reality" which mind based reality "confers" onto physics, is this a new reality? a "superior" reality? Is there a hier...
Some food for thought. We (that is people, not specifically scientists nor philosophers) we believe, since Pavlov that salivating at the sound of a be...
Yes. That is why, "I" have come to believe AI will never be really conscious, and that real consciousness is restricted to all biological organisms, t...
alienation is that it is, so neutral. Is mind good or bad? Its constructed history with agriculture, skyscrapers and Mozarts, but it has also construc...
I'm not suggesting that "our" eventual belief in AI sentience would necessarily be reasoned, or at least certainly not well reasoned. Im saying (admit...
Informative, and I have yet to look into the added information in the notes (which I will). To clarify and simplify. The point I have been pursuing is...
I have come to believe that if, like the rest of reality, we existed without mind*, we would be at one with reality, reconciled with our true natures....
I have come to believe being alive requires living, and that dying is just a transformation of what was living. As for Mind (i.e. not living), having ...
Agreed. While ancient history is a tough nut to crack, it seems a deliberate stretch to deny that Jesus was inspired by Hillel. I think that's an exce...
It appears to have spanned cultures and time periods, and I think it's safe to say its meaning can be intuitively understood. That's why my assessment...
Generally, I see and can agree. But clarify. For me the body (the material infrastructure for perception-understanding which for me, is the functional...
Not totally disconnected. Mind "needs" the body for the materials and energy to function, i.e., for perception there is first sensation. But for human...
it's safe to say I know nothing about computing, not even AI. But since I am speculating anyway, I'd say these simulations are not standing in for rea...
I've never thought of it that way, but on the face of it, I like it for what that image reveals. If I would modify it to what I have been led to belie...
From the aforementioned Einstein: "It is also clear that the desire to arrive finally at logically connected concepts is the emotional basis of this r...
Let's say I accept that definition. What, in the end, makes me accept it? It is reasonable? So what? Why is reason the final criterion? And so on. At ...
Don't you think the same can be said of the human creative process? The data has been input and we rewrite it. Is anyone on this forum, whether knowin...
Very nice, illustrating how mind is unified as history. All artists, and all observers, since the hand prints on the cave, answering a uniquely human ...
That's a good question. But without "knowing" reality, I can't say whether mind displaces it with something similar or in a mutated form. My guess is ...
We already do that--settle upon what is most functional as so called truth--as our conditioning. My acceptance of scientific facts is, in the end, a f...
not sealed off as with intention, but inaccessible to by their utterly different natures. Mind independent reality is (for lack of a better word, forg...
More than anything language, and virtually/potentially all of the data comprising history, and more that I'd have to spend time gathering. I agree. Wi...
To clarify, I'm writing these words because I'm conditioned to write them and their truth is ultimately not accessible (other than as a tool, a signif...
Yes, simplistically put. And the over simplicity is more my cause than yours. As ridiculous as it sounds within the system producing it. But the conce...
I agree with you, all apparent contradictions so far, aside, that if it doesn't have drives, feelings, sensations, it shouldn't be viewed as sentient....
Before I say anything else, I recognize that from most perspectives, you raise sound and reasonable objections. I am trying to stretch beyond those pe...
Sorry for missing your response. We "create/stumble upon" many inventions which we fail to fully understand. Since the dawn of history. Early humans d...
Fair points But it is not the existence of AI sentience that I would question. In fact, I think the existence of AI sentience is almost certain. Howev...
Yes, I'm saying whether or not a thing is sentient is arrived at through belief as the final trigger into that narrative. "Merely belief," might sugge...
Perhaps trapped has too harsh a connotation. Limited by? Circumscribed? Are we not reaching conclusions about something (say, AI sentience), pretendin...
While not "subjective," by our definitions, is reason not a product of human construction over time, input by history, conditioning our actions includ...
Yes. And those whose minds who have fully embraced their pet as sentient may have arrived at that belief from reading science, contemplating and reaso...
It might sound that way, but Im not sure that's what Im intending. Subjectivity is part of the system which, for humans, a "trap" which forms such con...
I don't dispute your point. I'm suggesting it, and all other assessments are only relevant insofar as whether they lead to belief or disbelief (in sen...
Agreed. And I think that our conclusions following said reflection are mistaken. Personal sentience agency is an illusion, effective/functional (in de...
If we achieve the technology to build such a feed back loop in machines, even certain stimuli/responses which mimic human feeling/mood, will that make...
We can, and maybe even should, and that is my point. Sentience is not anything beyond what we either individually feel, or collectively accept (thereb...
I understand your critique. However, my thought is that the same process applies to AI sentience and sophisticated pet sentience. It is we ho superimp...
I cannot "prove" AI sentience. I think my point was that AI sentience is a human construction and belief. As with the unprovable belief that there is ...
Yes, but the micro-moment the natural conditioning (eg, intuitions not to kill, or to nurture the offspring,cooperate with kin) gets put into reusable...
Me too. So likely, does everyone. Since we are born into history and generally share the same input, items like the self, free will, good, evil, ethic...
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