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For sure. I wrestle with it a lot - I guess i see society as an arbitrary rule-giver. Assenting to just plum majority rule does not sit well.

This is the reason for my discomfort with the idea of moral truth.

I believe this the British pronunciation, as in The University of Durham.

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Are you using a translator? Im not trying to be rude, but much of that previous comment is totally inexplicable given the thread we're in. 60s musical...

No, no. This was my (highly likely to be) misguided approach to enumerating hte opposing position. I was intimating that the fact that you could say "...

It looks as if you've quoted me - but my comment was merely a response to Vaskane's claim that something he said could have merit. I agree with that p...

(the following applies to the remainder of that section of your post too). That's fair. I guess I would stipulate the difference I outlined previously...

I suppose In this, I see a defence of it being a moral fact. Okay, at least through all my failings, that was my understanding of your position on it…...

Ahhh. Okay. I see that. Thank you. Okay. This is purely confusing. If the point is that it could serve as a non-moral fact, why would it be suggested ...

So, this is the crux of my issue. No, it's not an 'obvious moral truth'. It's just something a lot of people agree with. It isn't 'true' in any other ...

Yes, that's right. The position is not, "Every moral statement cannot be reduced to deeper facts." It is that, — Leontiskos Ok; that clears a lot up. ...

Thank you very much for this. Hmm. Maybe I'm conflating what's being rebutted then and missing that entirely.. because I just reject this entirely as ...

I agree with the possibility :)

Can you please explain to me, as if i'm five years old what's going on with the following that results in it being question begging? Position: Moral s...

Ok, well sorry then.

1. You've got the positions backwards, but i imagine that was just haste. No guff. Naturalism is what I take issue with. 2. Ok. Suffice to say 'No. Th...

Ahh, ok I'm groking you now. I still don't think that's right, though. To my mind, and my understanding, what you're asking me to do is prove another ...

No, I haven't. I have presented a deeper fact about the claim - whether i believe that's the case is somewhat by the by. The rebuttal is there are dee...

Ahh, Ok I think I see where we're crossing wires. That's not at all how the rebuttal actual is. See below: Michael claims (fictionally) that the claim...

Sorry, I don't understand how pointing out a fatal flaw in a claim isn't a rebuttal? Deny facts that exist is surely a fatal flaw in a position? Like,...

I understand. I'm not quite sure where we're getting wires crossed. I'm aware that is the naturalist position - but my position is that: that is factu...

I've given you an example, which you've quoted. To be noted, though, is that this concept can apply to any claim. Do you recall the below? "One ought ...

Luckily for me, you've actually quoted my saying more than that. And giving a reason why that's the case - because the deep facts in regard to any cla...

Because that position is ignorant of the deeper facts related to any moral claim. Edit: my current position, above. Not a be-all-end-all. But, in thes...

Yes. I am pointing out the flaw in that notion. I'm not disagreeing with your possible view points at all. I'm merely pointing out that that position ...

Nice.. that's a good place to start! Even if we never go further lol

You've not at all understood what i actually said - which is that there are further explanations that they choose not to engage. "One ought not kick p...

No. It's about exactly what i said it was about - further proclamations without support don't help. Hope this helps :)

This is true - But i think the fundamental problem you, Bob Ross, and I have all come across these last weeks - is that it may not be the case that th...

That's a fair thing to intuit. I intuit the other way. Any interest in hashing that out?

Thank you; I appreciate that. At risk of sounding preening, it's actually pretty neat to come across good-faith disagreement and helpful responses whe...

That's true of moral statements, and it is not inconsistent. It is true of all moral statements. The cool thing about the position i hold is, is that ...

:ok: It always amounts to this. I wonder if Banno is actually a secret theist.

I would whole-heartedly agree. But his persistence in pretending his proclamations amount to 'truth-making statements' is absurd, and in service to pr...

No idea what you think you're asking, soz.

Yeah, okay, but what do you mean???

mmm. Good. I needed this.

It's not true. You've done nothing other than basically saying you believe it and it should be true (ding ding bloody ding lol). Your point, is exactl...

this is garbled nonsense. Take care.

Thank you; appreciate that and the link-to-post.

This question isn't a piggy-back, its totally askance from the thread - Are you using the word 'impose' here to include 'encourage', or is it more def...

I allowed for that possibility - thanks for confirming.

Or, and forgive me for this, you're wrong. In either case, it appears you've made your conclusions and that's fine :)

It's a known turn of phrase. I'm sure you can clarify for yourself ;) . You've quoted my first response, and your second response, in reverse order. W...

Your quote/s from Bob don't touch what i've said. adjust one's position for new objections isn't a failure, nor is refining ones position or language....

It was my intention (as noted, right there) - I'm just not yet that good at writing what I think. This has, and i imagine, will lead to many weird dis...

Hi mate, Suffice to say nothing there has an effect on what i've said. I think it's far more to do with your affectations than much else. Shall leave ...

From Bob and I's perspective, the exact opposite is true. That's kind of the entire point of our lines of questioning. Nothing, whatsoever, has been p...