What is the point, on your reading, of telling us: "We make to ourselves pictures of facts. The picture presents the facts in logical space, the exist...
Sorry for the late reply. Work has been busy, lately, and I've needed time to parse your comment. Truthfully, however, it has still been quite difficu...
It's interesting that you mention Pinker, because his overall thesis is simply that the world is getting better, and that this is quantifiable. A subs...
I see now what you meant; I was just confused because I had already been attempting to clarify all along the way :sweat: At any rate, yes, you disagre...
What else could I possibly mean by constitute? :razz: And, your next response shows that you take my meaning. You just disagree. I gave quotes which s...
Witt tells us that: “The world is determined by the facts, and by these being all the facts” (1.11). “The facts in logical space are the world” (1.13)...
The discussion is centered around the ancient distinction between science and metaphysics, with the latter being the domain of philosophy. Aristotle s...
I agree with this. What originally got me interested in Witt many, many, moons ago was my BA thesis on Wittgenstein's ethics. It's clear that Witt con...
It depends on what you mean by "attempting to bridge the gap". Witt is quite clear that he considers Science as an activity involved in one type of bu...
So, this all depends on what we take Witt to mean by "logical space". Where or what is logical space? For this, I draw on Frege's writing in "The Thou...
I apologize, I must have been unclear in my writing. I was trying to say that, from Russell's perspective, such seems to be the case. I do not agree w...
Well, let's consider, for a moment, some of Bacon's idols. 1. The tribe, or the belief that our senses exhaustively tell us what's true. With the adve...
To your point, Witt never thought that Frege or Russell understood the work. The historical account, as documented by Ray Monk, shows he was devastate...
"The world is the totality of facts, not of things" (1.1). "The facts in logical space are the world" (1.13). "We make to ourselves pictures of facts"...
What is the case, is the case. What I believe to be the case is subject to perspective, hence the word subjective, as opposed to objective. A fact did...
I said that it used to be thought that the Tract was pro positivist, which is where that belief comes from...it does seem there is a shift, if you rea...
Yes, that's what I said :P I did say that, while I personally, think Bacon was being a tad bit extreme (for good reason, at his time), that today, the...
Which distinction? The one between reality and the world? "The total reality is the world" (2.063). This would make no sense to say if there were no d...
From what I can gather...you're talking about a couples of things, but ultimately I take it to be an epistemological question? You mention Bacon as re...
It's not particularly perplexing, I don't think. Considering it from the perspective of the idealism/realism debate, which was contemporaneously relev...
Remember, objects may be the “substance of the world”, but “the world” exists in logical space (1.13). There is a distinction being made between reali...
Haha, perhaps you're right. I may be taking certain liberties with my current thinking, but once I have more time, I'll dig back into the text properl...
From my understanding... Objects form the substance of the world. Witt tells us: "Substance is what exists independently of what is the case" (2.024)....
The above discussion was very helpful, and I agree with a lot of what was said. The way I understand it, when Witt is talking about the distinction be...
Again, I want to emphasize that I do think that Witt saw value in the project, but maybe had his doubts regarding it being possible in the sense that ...
Sorry, I've been busy with work lately. To my understanding, Leibniz did at least provide the coherent framework for what he envisioned. So, in that s...
This is what I'm trying to get at. He's doesn't seem to be putting forth a correspondence theory. At least not in the traditional manner. He seems to ...
Any philosopher writing on some topic has a different degree of assumptions, taken as starting points without need for explication. These are the bedr...
I take your point, and I think looking at one side of the work, there are a lot of questions on can bring to bear. There is good reason to wonder whet...
Few...been out of town for a bit, and it seems I’ve missed a lot. A quick glance of the topics is interesting, and a lot to consider. I like a lot of ...
Okay, so looking over it once more... A formal concept defines how the variables "T" and "x" are to "behave" or perhaps a better way to say it, is how...
I wouldn't say this. You can fully believe you're doing the right thing, or that you're on the side of "good" and be completely wrong about this. I do...
You're close, but this isn't quite right, I don't believe. In the function: "T(x)", both "T()" and "x" show that to each corresponds a different forma...
And his ideas regarding facts and propositions is only useful insofar as it facilitates his goal of logically clear thoughts. I can't think of an obje...
I wholly agree with this. This line of discussion came up in order to clarify my original statement that Witt is concerned with is the logical clarifi...
I hear you...What I am saying is that just as it isn't uncommon to flip through a Socratic dialogue, and see Socrates challenging what others say abou...
Now you're not even trying to be charitable to what I'm saying, if you take that bit to be me simply saying, "Witt and Socrates were doing exactly the...
This is a recasting of my position :P I take him to be concerned with the logical clarification of thought, which might occasionally involve critiquin...
Because he is not arguing that anything (i.e. a proposition) is nonsense if its not about how things hang together, etc. Technical mumbo-jumbo aside, ...
While its a little antiquated, I think a good starting point is the manner in which Frege considered it in The Foundations of Arithmetic. Philosophers...
I'd like to take a moment to step outside the bounds of this topic, and express some personal thoughts regarding the work, in general. I, actually, ta...
I agree with this, I believe. "x" is the domain, which are all the possible objects which can be taken as inputs to satisfy the function. No, exactly ...
I was thinking something similar, I believe. My thought process was: When we refer to "reality" or "the universe", we are referring to: the entire col...
From the above, it might seem somewhat confusing, what exactly is going on here, and what it means for atomic facts. But, I think that understanding t...
These are examples of propositions, not elementary propositions; we can go through the difference between the two, a bit more, if you'd like, but for ...
This is a strange view, and not one that I subscribe to. Logic, seems to me, in some sense to be mind independent. The logical statement, that say, "A...
I am not a panpsychist, I find the position unintelligible. There seems to be a meaningful distinction between on the one hand, things like: 1. rocks,...
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